To let you all know :Jane the mntter held keir to acct, brilliantly on radio today and it's viral.

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Unfortunately I can't link to her clip, but she's a star and a hero. She pinned him down and cut through the "twaddle". I am a swing voter and would have been proud of a mntter holding any mp to account on an important issue like Jane did. Jane is/was even trending on twitter.

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This issue is only going to grow. Starmer will get away with this fudge/lie before a likely landslide election but I don’t think he will get away with it in power or at the next election.

I don't care what you've done in the past I want to know what you're going to do!

100% pure🔥

When he brought up Brianna’s mum yet again I lost all of what little faith in him I had. I’d decided I was (reluctantly) going to vote Labour but I’m now back to leaning towards spoiling my ballot. The vitriol and abuse aimed at women with concerns about this is, frankly, terrifying.

Jane, you can tell how well you have done by the content of the scolds.
You've upset a couple of Labour supporters who say they are women.

Apparently, you were a bit rude and didn't speak for them. Do make a note and be a love.

Meanwhile.... women all over the world are telling each other what a damn good job you did putting Keir Starmer QC on the spot.

And shutting down his attempt to use a child's murder for political points. I don't see any condemnation of that from the moaners. That speaks volumes to all of us.

He is a bit stupid, he thought men could grow a cervix.

This is Mumsnet AIBU, where people often disagree, not the higher echelons of the Labour Party dismissing the reasonable concerns of its own women members. There’s no comparison. No one has “shut you down”.

I don’t think he does get it

His brain goes to two different places and he cannot combine the two

Someone please ask him where men with a GRC have access

Ask him about spaces for women, ask him about men with GRC access and then say you are saying two things that are incompatible

I think he’d freeze. Jane did an amazing job now journalists pick up the pitch and ask the direct question

I think they pick up things from mn, come on journalists

He is a bit stupid, he thought men could grow a cervix.

Wasn't that Lammy?

No-one has said you’re not entitled to your own view. But you made claims about the interview that were point blank incorrect - Jane never claimed to speak for all women - that’s when you were countered.

To be fair, he may have, but KS said it wasn’t right to say only women have a cervix, so I’m not sure where he thought men were getting them from!

That was David Lammy.

A member of the Shadow Cabinet and quite possibly a government minister after the election

Still, his ignorance of biology and female anatomy hardly matters. I mean, what person in government needs to know or care anything about women, eh?

Someone please ask him where men with a GRC have access

Ask him about spaces for women, ask him about men with GRC access and then say you are saying two things that are incompatible

He almost got there, then he testily started referencing the "law for 20 years" (GRA). Which as pp said, means he thinks that gives holders the same status as "biological women". And he's happy to make the certificates easier to get.

I think he has that dangerous kind of man privilege where he is utterly reinforced at every turn because he uses the right tone and looks as you’d expect

His stupidity comes from not hearing women but also his other policies are frighteningly under-scrutinised and incredibly low possibility of working

That clenched fist was telling.

His brain goes to two different places and he cannot combine the two

Someone please ask him where men with a GRC have access

Ask him about spaces for women, ask him about men with GRC access and then say you are saying two things that are incompatible

He's a lawyer. His brain is all over stuff like this. It is a deliberate attempt to fudge. He knows exactly what he's doing.

I agree, I think he has a clever legal mind, but he's not an impressive PM candidate at all and I don't think he's a strong leader. Labour aren't winning the election, the Tories are losing it.

I get the lawyerly bullshit part and completely concur

I still think he freezes like a rabbit and would love to see this question

Note the recent Labour line of talking a lot about women's 'safe spaces' rather than women's 'single sex spaces'. Using reassuring words to gloss over what they are not protecting.

Yep he's incredibly weak as a leader

But he looks / sounds plausible and isn't a Tory and that is enough.

Exactly.

Clabony

You've upset a couple of Labour supporters who say they are women“

You don’t think it’s possible that some women just hold different opinions to you?

He meant that transmen (aka women) have a cervix.

Absolutely agree. This isn’t about the better party to represent the country, it’s about who’s ’not the Tories’. Depressing all round and we will all lose because of it (not just on women’s rights).

Once in power Starmer needs to be held personally to account for every sexual harassment/assault in these so-called “safe spaces”.

Someone should set up a “Safe spaces?” website like “everyday sexism” where women can detail all their experiences.

I would also add. I very much think that a majority of men would not want to change in front of women either. Sure you will get some tosspots, but realistically I think most men would say no.

This is the confusing thing with the boxing. I don’t think a man wants to box a trans-man. They would kill them fairly quickly.

I don’t understand why it can’t be measured. It would be so easy to do. You could do V02 max, grip strength and distance is a tennis ball throw for every trans-person and compare pre-transition to 1,2,5 and 10 on meds.

Sure there would be some faking for the more problematic people at least it’s a start.

Jane kept interrupting and did not let KS actually answer the question. If she had let him answer maybe we would have had a better idea whether his position is evolving or not.