To let you all know :Jane the mntter held keir to acct, brilliantly on radio today and it's viral.

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Unfortunately I can't link to her clip, but she's a star and a hero. She pinned him down and cut through the "twaddle". I am a swing voter and would have been proud of a mntter holding any mp to account on an important issue like Jane did. Jane is/was even trending on twitter.

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@Clabony Jane said she was speaking for all women.

I'm going to paint a very long bridge while we wait.

No, church view, I think your'll find that any woman with 1/2 a brain cell, does think that this is all twaddle.

Look on the boards. None of us can even believe that this 'debate' still goes on.

I'm so sad about KS. Highly intelligent man, so much potential, so wasted. Loads of my friends meet him regularly. When he was just about to become party leader many thought : finally, here we go. It's never materialised. No one can work out why.

No, not protecting anyone other than myself.

Jane said that I, as a woman was sick of the twaddle that comes out of Keir Starmer's mouth.
I am not.

Yes of course a man can be interrupted. I never said he couldn't.

I have answered the question repeatedly.

Why aren't you though? If you agree these women need protected?

Yes, she refused to let him gaslight her.

I don't really see why it's so accepted that women have to put up with this abuse. Good on Jane for saying no to it.

If a man had done the same there'd be far less comment about it.

You seem unable to believe that women are capable of independent thought that does not agree with yours.

No you haven't

Or you haven't squared the circle of 1) agreeing these women need to be protected 2) not seeming to care that Starmer has avoided the question of how repeatedly

Ir perhaps we're just to conclude that you don't care about these women after all - you're just saying that 🤷‍♀️

Jane didn't say she spoke for 51% of the population she said that 51% of the population are affected by the lies / twaddle that come out of Starner's mouth - that's what I understood from what she said.

Which bits of twaddle are you not sick of?

The origins of men in women's prison's balls up starts in Scotland in 2007 with a policy document written by a trans lobby group. Unfortunately I really don't have time for delivering a full history lesson today.

The trans lobby deliberately started their campaign, to destroy single sex spaces, with prisons. They reasoned that if they could persuade people to accept men in women's prison's then every other womens single sex environment would be easy to colonise.

I'm not saying anything here that is not documented on record.

What he says is contradictory, listen to the part where he talks about men with a GRC having access

Did you hear Kemi when she got into the detail of this - can’t remember what interview but she totally stumbled and was not clear at all on the details of GRC changing sex or gender and the implications of that.

I’m GC and didn’t actually appreciate the way she phrased the questioning. It’s ok for me that he said ‘biological women’ and protected spaces, and also pointed out that trans women/men also deserve to be treated with dignity. Nothing wrong with the latter. I’m GC but that doesn’t mean I want trans people to be miserable.

I don't think my elderly father in law or aged uncle are violent and about to attack me but I don't want to be naked in front of them. I don't want them to be naked in front of me. I don't want to see a penis when I'm changing for a swim. If we don't think dignity/privacy are a thing why do we have changing rooms in the first place? Why don't we all just strip off on public.

Also, Jane is just a presumably not media trained member of the public. Even if she says something not 100% true it doesn't affect anyone. Starmer will be the next PM. His lies and gaslighting affect millions. So why the ever living fuck are we parsing what Jane said and not Starmer.

Misogyny plain and simple.

I'm not speaking for all women.
I am speaking for myself.

You all seem so certain I will leave you to it.
Thank you for engaging with me.

Perhaps any woman who manages to get on air to question a politician about women's rights * should identify as Dave from London. It would be interesting to see whether the broadcast dialogue ** and subsequent analysis would be different.

*I won't hold my breath on any Labour politician allowing that to happen ever again

**using the word in its loosest sense

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I was wondering too

This. In terms of safety changing in public would probably be safer for women than mixed sex by stealth spaces as there would be other people around who could intervene with the abusers. But no-one wants it. Including men.

Thank you, Jane.

How very odd to get in such a froth about a woman going on the radio asking searching questions of a man.

Actually that's a new spin I've not seen before. Well put. Why do we have changing rooms? If everyone should be okay with getting naked in front of anyone, why bother. Well, other than it being drafty.

If only you were prepared to scrutinise Starmers words to the extent you're scrutinising Janes.

Churchview

She said, "You need to think about 51% of the population who are sick of the absolute twaddle that comes out of your mouth when we ask these questions."

She was speaking as though all women think the same on the issue.
We don't all think the same.
Even if we do, we wouldn't say what she said.

This. I’m delighted that the conservative government will be gone next week and shall happily be voting Labour.

Cue the dreamy music.