Page 9 | Biden Trump debate- they must get rid of Biden now?

molotovcupcakes · 2024-06-28T06:10:38+00:00

Biden looked so frail and incoherant at times that this must be the end of his Presidency very soon. How have the Democrats not faced this sooner and selected someone else, I don't understand why they have let this go on for so long. He had to be helped off the stage by his wife and it seems like elder abuse. https://www.politico.com/video/2024/06/28/jill-biden-escorts-joe-biden-off-stage-after-first-presidential-debate-1346575 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wf1eA3QUC4&ab_channel=11Alive

Pocketfullofdogtreats · 28/06/2024 10:13

Keepingongoing · 28/06/2024 07:23

I think I heard that there isn’t an obvious mechanism; Biden needs to consent to standing aside.

It’s incredibly worrying, not just for Americans but for us all. My father believes that Trump would be a full- on Fascist in a heartbeat if he thought he could get away with it,

Trump is already telling Americans that their justice system is out to get them. When you don't trust the justice system you get anarchy.

freshbluesnow · 28/06/2024 10:14

BloodyHellKenAgain · 28/06/2024 10:10

Being a decent man with experience and good understanding of policy will only take you so far if you look like you aren't physically or mentally up to the job.

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Well, it's a big head start on a man who is not morally up to the job, and who suggested injecting disinfectant might be a good solution for covid.

eggplant16 · 28/06/2024 10:14

The Obamas were such a class act. Its like a bygone age. I remember his first inaugeration, his younger daughter with her camera.

MrsSkylerWhite · 28/06/2024 10:16

DanielGault · Today 07:47
theresnolimits · Today 07:35
Kamala Harris is not popular. If there was a strong VP things might be different.
Why is she so unpopular that they prefer Biden? I have nothing against him but he looked out of it in that debate. If you can't pull off a debate, how can you run a country?

The President doesn’t run the country. An army of officials behind the scenes does. He’s a figurehead. Trump spent much of his time in bed eating burgers and tweeting.

Channellingsophistication · 28/06/2024 10:16

Just can’t fathom why the Democrats can’t find someone else to run. If Biden had been 20 years younger or even 10 years younger, it would’ve been fine, but he is just simply too old. Its ridiculous. They’re just handing it to Trump. It’s really scary.

We did see on American TV several months ago a report of Michelle Obama running but sadly this hasnt happened. I would’ve loved to see her as the President.

very worrying times

Staplerandstappler · 28/06/2024 10:16

Pocketfullofdogtreats · 28/06/2024 10:13

Trump is already telling Americans that their justice system is out to get them. When you don't trust the justice system you get anarchy.

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Trump clearly hero worships leaders like Putin and Kim Jong Un, who do what they like, unchallenged and unbothered by (fair) elections and legal scrutiny. He’s a clear and present danger to the world.

luckylavender · 28/06/2024 10:17

Janehasamane · 28/06/2024 07:51

Watching the video of him talking, it is now reached the stage of turning him into a spectacle. Old age has sadly caught up with him, and he’s not fully in charge of his facilities or his physicality any more. Trump is only 4 years younger but to be fair still as sharp as a pin and physically able. Just he’s a twat.

they need to remove Biden, it can’t go on.

I agree with everything about Biden, it's very difficult to watch. But I don't think Trump is great either. Some of his speeches leave a lot to be desired cognitively. We would be notice this more if it weren't for Biden.

YankTank · 28/06/2024 10:18

GiveMeSpanakopita · 28/06/2024 09:30

Oh OK. I didn't know that, thank you.

Anyway I think the causes of the decline of US and UK democracies are as follows, just my opinions:

Politicians stopped being deep thinkers who had real jobs and started being careerists with little real world experience who put their careers over representing the voters
Too few working class politicians especially from manufacturing, agrarian and service industries
Media stopped exploring politics in meaningful ways and started focussing on soundbites and gotchas. For a shocking example watch an interview with Wilson or Thatcher and see how they are given the space and time to thoughtfully discuss policies and economics and the interviewer has the knowledge to dive in deep with them. And that was prime time TV. Now compare it with an interview with Sunak and Starmer from the present day. There has been a steep and alarming decline in intellectual 'meat'
Voters are lower information due to point 3 and also to social media.
Social media has caused greater political divides so that many voters no longer see themselves as being part of a country but just as part of a tribe that hates and wishes destruction on the other tribe. Which leads to...
....death threats and political assassinations (Cox, Amess) meaning that good people are getting too scared to go into politics
Media emphasises superficial things like a candidates looks and mannerism rather than policies and abilities
Poor education. Many people know little about the evolution of democracy and how difficult it has been to protect, and what life is like under other systems. Hence some think communism or facism sound reasonable because they haven't learned what these systems are actually like
We don't pay our politicians enough and require them to work stupid hours meaning that the brightest and most conscientious in our society would rather go into law, banking, tech, start a company, anything than politics...
...so we get left with grifters and morons.

All of this is in our gift as the public to solve but I think we're too distracted and divided just now.

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On #8, there are many Trump supporters at rallies going on the record that they believe a Trump dictatorship will be the best outcome for the country. It’s beggars belief: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U4mZJZorCUQ&pp=ygUOSm9yZGFuIGtsZXBwZXI%3D

People are also easily taken in by short catchphrases. Build a wall. Make America great again. Stop the steal. Lock her up. Take back control. Get Brexit done. Stop the boats.

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NotDavidTennant · 28/06/2024 10:19

I do think it shows what a sorry state the Democrats are in that the only alternative to Biden anyone can put forward is Michelle Obama.

It's equivalent to saying that the only way the Conservatives can be saved is by replacing Rishi Sunak with Samantha Cameron.

Hedgerow2 · 28/06/2024 10:21

NotDavidTennant · 28/06/2024 10:19

I do think it shows what a sorry state the Democrats are in that the only alternative to Biden anyone can put forward is Michelle Obama.

It's equivalent to saying that the only way the Conservatives can be saved is by replacing Rishi Sunak with Samantha Cameron.

Hardly!

Academic anyway as she has made it very clear she doesn't want to go into politics.

MrsSkylerWhite · 28/06/2024 10:21

NotDavidTennant
It's equivalent to saying that the only way the Conservatives can be saved is by replacing Rishi Sunak with Samantha Cameron.“

It isn’t and that’s doing a huge disservice to Michelle Obama. Their CVs are incomparable.

YankTank · 28/06/2024 10:22

Iwasafool · 28/06/2024 09:57

Nixon resigned and the Vice President (Ford) became president.

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He resigned though. Due to committing crimes. Biden never said he wouldn’t complete his full term.

Sloejelly · 28/06/2024 10:24

I think Biden has been someone’s puppet for some time.

leakysqueaky · 28/06/2024 10:26

NotDavidTennant · 28/06/2024 10:19

I do think it shows what a sorry state the Democrats are in that the only alternative to Biden anyone can put forward is Michelle Obama.

It's equivalent to saying that the only way the Conservatives can be saved is by replacing Rishi Sunak with Samantha Cameron.

That isn't what I was saying. I commented in response to a PP who said that Kamala could never get in as 'America wasn't ready for a black female leader'.

My point was that America might be ready for a 'black female leader' if she was the right, experienced leader. I don't think Kamala is that person.

I wasn't saying that Michelle Obama was the only credible alternative to Biden. The context of my post says that.

NotDavidTennant · 28/06/2024 10:26

MrsSkylerWhite · 28/06/2024 10:21

NotDavidTennant
It's equivalent to saying that the only way the Conservatives can be saved is by replacing Rishi Sunak with Samantha Cameron.“

It isn’t and that’s doing a huge disservice to Michelle Obama. Their CVs are incomparable.

I agree that they're not equivalent on a personal level, but their political CVs are identical: neither has been elected to anything ever.

DanielGault · 28/06/2024 10:27

MrsSkylerWhite · 28/06/2024 10:16

DanielGault · Today 07:47
theresnolimits · Today 07:35
Kamala Harris is not popular. If there was a strong VP things might be different.
Why is she so unpopular that they prefer Biden? I have nothing against him but he looked out of it in that debate. If you can't pull off a debate, how can you run a country?

The President doesn’t run the country. An army of officials behind the scenes does. He’s a figurehead. Trump spent much of his time in bed eating burgers and tweeting.

I know that, but it's clearly quite an important position. One that requires the office holder to be compis mentis at least. Or not a felon.

1dayatatime · 28/06/2024 10:37

@leakysqueaky

"That isn't what I was saying. I commented in response to a PP who said that Kamala could never get in as 'America wasn't ready for a black female leader'"

I agree - Kamala would not get elected because she is viewed (rightly or wrongly) by the majority of US voters as not capable and too far to the left. Her skin colour is irrelevant to this.

And to reinforce the point that skin colour is irrelevant, Michelle Obama is viewed by the majority of US voters (rightly or wrongly) as much more credible.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 28/06/2024 10:40

luckylavender · 28/06/2024 10:17

I agree with everything about Biden, it's very difficult to watch. But I don't think Trump is great either. Some of his speeches leave a lot to be desired cognitively. We would be notice this more if it weren't for Biden.

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Spot on, luckylavender
Only a fool would think Trump some kind of statesman, but he almost looks like one in comparison and that's very dangerous when appearance has come to mean so much

wibblywobblywoo · 28/06/2024 10:41

fliptopbin · 28/06/2024 07:19

It is a sad situation when a man feels like he has to push himself on in the most important position in the world into his eighties because it seems like he is the only person who can counter the existential threat to democracy which is Trump.

Biden isn't and never has been that noble, or noble at all actually. He's an egotistical fraud as bad if not worse than the Clintons.

He's not there out of a sense of duty, he's there out of a sense of entitlement.

Life2Short4Nonsense · 28/06/2024 10:43

wibblywobblywoo · 28/06/2024 10:41

Biden isn't and never has been that noble, or noble at all actually. He's an egotistical fraud as bad if not worse than the Clintons.

He's not there out of a sense of duty, he's there out of a sense of entitlement.

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I hope you are at least smart enough to be paid for such propaganda, but I doubt it.

leakysqueaky · 28/06/2024 10:48

I hope you are at least smart enough to be paid for such propaganda, but I doubt it.

I'm not a fan of either but some of Biden's dodgy dealings over the decades are not hard to find. It is very hard to climb the greasy pile of politics without dirty tricks and deals.

Not everything we disagree with is 'Russian propaganda or bots'.

Hatfullofwillow · 28/06/2024 10:51

Pocketfullofdogtreats · 28/06/2024 10:13

Trump is already telling Americans that their justice system is out to get them. When you don't trust the justice system you get anarchy.

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Indeed. You wouldn't get our politicians undermining the judiciary. Oh, hang on.

Cnon · 28/06/2024 10:51

jaundicedoutlook · 28/06/2024 08:23

Jeeesus….

That was Grandpa Simpson vs Mr Burns.

Awful on every level and makes the UK PM debates look positively intellectual by comparison. Any US voters must be feeling pretty glum about their choices and you have to hope that the Democrats can manage to find a way to get Biden off the ticket.

Some Trump supporters, liked his economy and secure US-Mexico border.

Sloejelly · 28/06/2024 10:51

the only person who can counter the existential threat to democracy which is Trump

If anything thinks that, then they are a fool. There are thousands of Americans who could have trounced Trump in the debate. But they don’t hold the money needed to get elected. It just comes down to money.

BrigadierEtienneGerard · 28/06/2024 10:53

Oh come on! This is the Democratic Party. One of the few things you can rely on in politics is that if there's a serious political decision to be made, the Democrats will call it wrong.