Biden Trump debate- they must get rid of Biden now?

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Biden looked so frail and incoherant at times that this must be the end of his Presidency very soon.
How have the Democrats not faced this sooner and selected someone else, I don't understand why they have let this go on for so long.
He had to be helped off the stage by his wife and it seems like elder abuse.

www.politico.com/video/2024/06/28/jill-biden-escorts-joe-biden-off-stage-after-first-presidential-debate-1346575

what a painful watch..I couldn’t even recap anything Trump said really because i was agog at Biden the whole debate ..shame on his wife at the very end!

Nixon resigned and the Vice President (Ford) became president.

And that is why Biden will lose the Vote, because America doesn't want Kamala as Pres.

Are you serious, you genuinely think a deeply racist, misogynistic fascist convicted felon who lies constantly and says he wants to be a dictator (& fuelled the insurrection of 6 Jan when someone put up a noose to hang Mike Pence) is the better option? What would've happened to Nancy Pelosi if someone had tracked her down that day?

Of course Biden is the better option, regardless of whatever faults he has.

Perfectly expressed; I agree completely.

I think Harris doesnt do well because she isnt very good - not because she is black and I dont think we should try and explain it away like that.

Michelle Obma would be great and popular but she isnt running so that is that

I think it shows the whole nomination system is largely rigged in favour of old white guys. 😬

In US politics, you need to be extremely powerful and have access to a LOT of money and influence before you even decide to run.

As flawed as our own UK system is, I am thankful that most people can still have a go, regardless of their wealth and connections. They might not ever get the big job but they can still get into Parliament. From what I can see of US politics, it's a lot of old or well-established rich people.

Since this point keeps coming up…

I’m no expert, but as I see it: Biden was a lot younger and fitter when he was chosen to run. Effectively his bid goes back at least to 2009 when he was Vice president under Obama for 8 years. This gives him experience of the nearly-highest office no one else in the race had - Apart from Trump, who’s actually been president 2016-20

The electorate does not chose the presidential hopefuls and not are the potential presidents chosen from the wider population. I think in theory it’s true that anyone can run, but in practice the only people with the slightest chance of success are those endorsed by big donors and the politically powerful. The process takes years. And a LOT of money.

The Democrats problem now is that they can see Biden’s weakness but there’s almost no time to chose someone else within the constraints of the constitution. And if they don’t have a believable alternative to Biden, they’ve as good as lost the election already.

People need to understand that the US system of government is very different to ours in the UK.

... there was this shocked hush in the studio even from the Democrat commentators - an almost universal horror at what had just happened

Understandable; after all what were they supposed to say?

You're right of course that it would be better for Biden's loved ones to protect him from himself, which would be the compassionate thing to do, but either they're not prepared to or he won't listen - who can say?

Yes, your list is spot on and much more comprehensive than my vague statements that were a bit tongue and cheek.

I also think that many young people only read stuff on their screens now which maybe high quality if a book or magazine but can be one person just indoctrinating them on YouTube.. This is not a sweeping generalisation about young people as I have a DS who is late teens and does read books and does get it but he is studying Politics and History so he has an advantage there. IMO some of the problem is the push to wholly study STEM subjects which means we are loosing that understanding of how a liberal democracy is established and governed, what has led to the mistakes of the past and when some billionaire declares we now have the technology to do certain things, we seem to have a dwindling number of people who ask, ‘but should we do certain things?’, this seemingly is because ethics/philosophy appear to be a subject that is no longer chosen at university. The loss of Arts/Humanities subjects at university level results in fewer graduates able to uphold the tenets of ‘liberal democracy’. I can see why it is happening as university education is so expensive now so young people naturally want to study a subject that is more transferable when it comes to work but it is actually a very worrying trend.

He looks one foot in the grave. Why are they continuing with this?

Biden doesn't have a cold! that's just an excuse by the party trying to spin it, he is very frail and has is failing fast, he possibly has early dementia.

His wife had to help him off the stage when everyone else had left the room practically, this was filmed on someone's phone, that wouldn't happen if he had a cold, it is impossible to ignore the facts anymore.

www.politico.com/news/2024/06/27/biden-democrats-replacement-00165672

@Tracker1234

"Michelle Obma would be great and popular but she isnt running so that is that"

Michelle Obama offers the best chance of beating Trump but she still polls 3% lower than Trump. But as you say she doesn't want to run so it's irrelevant.

Because it’s almost too late to start the process of finding a new president candidate now?

Because at this late stage there is no one else with even the slightest chance of beating Trump.

But surely they must have been looking for a while at least? Surely?

This isn't a sudden decline, there was plenty of time to find someone else before this embarrassment.

Being a decent man with experience and good understanding of policy will only take you so far if you look like you aren't physically or mentally up to the job.

I've often wondered just how much pressure's been put on Michelle to run - I imagine it's a lot - but she's refused and at least for now that appears to be that

Fortunately "they only dislike Harris because she's black" is easy to ignore, not least because it's trotted out so often and usually with little justification

@DanielGault

"But surely they must have been looking for a while at least? Surely"

Nope - doesn't look like they did. Bit of a monumental error that gifts the election to Trump.

Or the other way round. Or they're both Steve Bannon's puppets.

Biden doesn't have a cold!

Looked like he has a cold, sounded like he has a cold. But you know better.

So it seems. The party must be in a dreadful state.

Truly cringeworthy viewing. Dreadful.

Trump lying away, completely unchallenged by the moderators or Biden (in any effective way).

Biden - I just don’t know what to say. Shambolic, incoherent, inaudible, confused. And that’s how he is today, how’s he going to be in four years if he wins?

I’d still vote Biden over Trump (I’d never vote Trump, not that I have a vote) but I cannot believe he isn’t stepping aside. Someone needs to have a word.

Just reminds me of my late father in his last couple of years, after he had suffered a series of small strokes - jumbled words, losing the thread of his sentences.

It's absolutely appalling and so much worse in an era of mass media, I believe that Ramsay MacDonald was quietly replaced by Baldwin in the 1930s because his speeches became increasingly rambling and it was obvious that he had dementia, but politicians did not have the scrutiny that they do now.