Biden Trump debate- they must get rid of Biden now?

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Biden looked so frail and incoherant at times that this must be the end of his Presidency very soon.
How have the Democrats not faced this sooner and selected someone else, I don't understand why they have let this go on for so long.
He had to be helped off the stage by his wife and it seems like elder abuse.

www.politico.com/video/2024/06/28/jill-biden-escorts-joe-biden-off-stage-after-first-presidential-debate-1346575

Does anyone remember when Rob Newman and David Baddiel used to do the History Today sketch? 'That's you, that is. That's your mum. Chinny reckon.' It reminded me of that.

Biden may be mentally competent and just increasingly frail but he needs to put politics, and particularly Ukraine, before his own career. Kamala Harris comes across as a complete lightweight. The Democrats should have been ruthless and preparing for a replacement well ahead of the election. It's the Ruth Bader-Ginsberg situation all over again. Of course she may have wanted to carry on serving for as long as she could but if she had been thinking strategically she should have retired while Obama could have secured a Democrat to replace her on the Supreme Court.

But the people would have to vote him in for the nomination. It’s not like the UK system. At all. And how would a California Governor do in the Midwest and Southern swing states?

How has it come to this? Any reasonable Democrat candidate would beat Trump. Any reasonable Republican candidate would beat Biden. It's like both parties found their worst candidate and voters have to vote for the best of the worst.

I just saw a clip of his campaign rally tonight and he's like a completely different person compared to last night. He was clear, eloquent and alert. I am confused by this! If he's capable of that, why did it not happen last night?

I won't post the link but it's on CNN's YouTube. It's very weird.

https://time.com/6993607/could-democrats-replace-biden-nominee-explainer/

Reading a teleprompter?

Trudeau represents liberal democracy?

Jeez Louise, he's at least as authoritarian a PM at Stephen Harper was. This is a guy who froze the bank accounts of protestors and stopped citizens from crossing internal.

Those are not "right wing" criticisms.

Absolutely on the money about RBG - ironically too self-asorbed to protect her own legacy.
Lockdown persuaded most Western governments that they could impose whatever they liked on 'the peasants'.
Rishi looks very similar to John Major as a rabbit in the headlamps, Macron seems happy for his country to burn, the EU have just done their backroom deal over the top jobs and Biden's deficits appear to have come as a surprise to the Democrats. None of them seem to have a clue about optics or basic politics.
Newsom is compromised by lawlessness, homelessness and drug abuse in California, other potential candidates have their own vulnerabilities.
It's going to be a rough four or five years.

To me it looks very much like Biden has Parkinson's- the mask face, the gait, the slowness and rigidity, the falls and his voice changes( monotone, hoarseness,slurring, mumbling etc) all fit with the diagnosis and there seems to be some cognitive decline which could be Parkinson's dementia or Lewy body dementia. He seems much too frail for most jobs, let alone the leader of the USA.

I can't see the governor of California being a great choice, people are leaving California in droves, it's big cities are becoming unlivable.

The Democrats should have been thinking about who could run this time for years. Harris was never realistic, she is known to be an incompetent bully with an unlikable personality.

Trump, and the Republicans, have been eating into the Democrats core voting blocs more and more. They lost many Catholics, they've lost the (huge) Hispanic vote as a reliable block, and the young black male vote seems to be following - none of this should be surprising as this groups are typically more conservative than the average American. They need to find some who will appeal to centrists.

I don't think being black or a woman is particularly a barrier - there are lots of both holding elected offices in the US. Presidential nominations tend to weight toward the wealthy, so more are white as they are statistically more likely to be well off, but that's a correlation.

I am not sure about Gavin Newsom. He has a long history of public service, is good at getting his point across and in debates but he had governed California at a time when living standards have significantly dropped LA and SF are really really run down

Maybe too west coast

what’s happened to Bernie Saunders ? Not suggesting he should step in not sure he is the right person but was wondering why he hasn’t

If you've watched footage of him over the last couple of years you'll see he has times where he seems fine and others were he is disoriented and confused. There is some footage of him saying goodbye to his son after a visit that really looked like he had no idea who he was talking to or where he was. It was really sad. Hence the accusations of elder abuse.
I suspect he is heavily medicated, and ok with a teleprompter (although there was that time where he read out the the pause instruction), but generally he needs significant support. Jill coming out after the debate and congratulating him with 'you answered all the questions well done' felt like she was talking to a small child.

BS is really getting on, I don't know how his health is but he's not a better bet that way than Biden or Trump.

Also, he lost the nomination twice which isn't a great look.

That being said, at one time he might have been a good contender. Polling at the time suggested that had he run against Trump rather than HRC, he'd have wne. There is some real overlap between Sanders and Trump voters among the working classes.

That's maybe an idea though about the direction the Democrats need to go in - they need to appeal to the sc voter base that used to be theirs.

Biden at a rally in North Carolina on Friday:

“I know I’m not a young man. I don’t walk as easily as I used to. I don’t talk as smoothly as I used to. I don’t debate as well as I used to,” Biden said.

“Well, I know what I do know. I know how to tell the truth. I know right from wrong. I know how to do this job. I know how to get things done. I know, like millions of Americans, when you get knocked down, you get back up.

“I know what it will take to bring this economy to everybody. I know what it’ll take to rally the world to stand up against Putin and defend freedom.

“And I know what it takes to keep the world safe and free for the years ahead. Folks, I give you my word as a Biden, I would not be running again if I didn’t believe, with all my heart and soul that I can do this job because, quite frankly, the stakes are too high.”

Major twist after Joe Biden’s trainwreck debate | news.com.au — Australia’s leading news site

Come on America, you can do better.

They literally can’t. That is what’s so odd.

I'd be surprised if he's still alive after the 4 years are up.

I don't think it is weird at all. That's a very typical presentation of the early stages of dementia. Completely lucid and themselves one day, but confused and disoriented the next day.

I think if they replace Biden, it would be smart to do so at the very last moment, considering the situation. There's no time for the new candidate to build up political loyalty with the electorate, no matter how good they are, so it would be wiser to rely on the "shock and relief" vote (i.e. "anyone but Trump" voters).

It won’t just be 4 years if Trump wins, though. Do you honestly believe he’ll leave in 4 years? I can’t see it. We know who he is….he tried to pull this last time. Anyone who says that they can envision Trump quietly leaving office needs to give their head a wobble. He and his associates put their all between November 2020 - January 2021 into overturning the election. The guardrails held. Only just. Those who took their constitutional oaths seriously are gone now, replaced with loyalists. Lessons on why January 2021 failed have been learned. I don’t believe the guardrails will hold next time. What Trump said about Biden going to prison in the debate is frightening AF. The train is coming down the tracks and we’re just stood there watching it like a bunch of fucking idiots.

Bernie’s a year older than Biden though…

For those who are saying his rally speech was like a different person.

He was reading from a teleprompter using words someone else had written. They were good words but quite honestly if he couldn’t even read from a teleprompter he should be removed immediately.

Thing is I think he thinks he is doing a good job and who else would replace him (in his view there is no one else as suitable as him!)

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I agree and am sad to do so.
Someone seriously wanting to become the most powerful person in the world must either have an incredible ego behind their power lust or a more seemingly benevolent incredibly ego that they really be the best person to be the most powerful person in the world.

I didn’t realise Bernie Saunders was in his 80’s I heard him on a podcast a few months ago

I don’t think he would have been the answer

The New York Times are even calling for Biden to step down for the country

Thing is I think he thinks he is doing a good job

Is he? Or are some unelected individuals behind him?