To let Dd skive off tomorrow because of sports day?

[Cadela]

Honestly, the way the school organises it is horrendous. It’s FOURTEEN different ‘sports’ that you have five minutes at, and the kids have to perform in front of their peers so it’s already stressful. Plus there is no races, no medals, no winning!

Last year Dd was crying the whole way round because she was so worried about looking silly in front of the year 6s. She’s 7.

Usually I am very much of the let’s crack on and show ourselves we can do it! Mindset, but honestly Dd has been crying about this every bedtime and I just don’t want to force her to do it.

This is a wind up.

Really labelled by who? Many children are ND long before a diagnosis. The wait for diagnosis can be as long as 4 years in some places. My daughter was ND from birth and before her diagnosis. Awareness and reasonable adjustments would have helped her.

Unless you are a qualified diagnostician and heavily involved in a child’s diagnosis you are not qualified to comment on the ND of any child. Saying ND is over used terminology is hugely offensive.

Your attitude is shocking and I hope your employers are aware of it as you shouldn’t be working with any child let alone vulnerable ND youngsters.

It is extremely bad practice to say a child is neuro diverse until a formal diagnosis is made- due to the many other things that can cause children to present the same way. The only person who can make a formal diagnosis is a doctor. But yet time and time again others say a child is x or y without being qualified to do so. ASD Waiting lists are sitting with thousands on them, taking the time away from the children who genuinely need the help. This is the situation we are in now.

And the original post mentions absolutely nothing about the child being neuro diverse! It is others who have started about this as a reason to not do sports day!!!

Complete rubbish. My daughter’s very experienced psych said it was important that her neurodiversity be acknowledged way before diagnosis. Exploring neurodiversity is hugely important when young people struggle and don’t know why. It is up to the individual as to how they handle it. Autism is diagnosed by a team.

ND came up because you said children shouldn’t be allowed to opt out of anything. This stance is damaging for many children and in particular those with ND who can often mask difficulties.

Well that is not the approach we use- absolutely adjustments to cater for the child’s individual needs but we absolutely no not label it as anything other than being child centred. We absolutely do not say a child has ASD or ADHD just they are in the system awaiting assessment as not qualified to make that diagnosis.

There's a reason it's complete rubbish....

All activities, including sports days, should be child centred. If they are there is absolutely no reason for ANY child to miss out. I am not sure what the issue with this.

My child is a team player in other areas. On sports day it's humiliating and forcing him to do it does not make him resilient in this area, it just causes stress. He is resilient in plenty of other areas so enforced Sports day is pointless for him. I was told I needed to be resilient to for pe and sports day, instead it gave me a complete hatred of sports. Is that really what we should be putting out kids through now? Have we learnt nothing?

Didn’t suggest saying a child was autistic by professionals before diagnosis however recognising, acknowledging and exploring ND which is a massive spectrum is hugely important. My dd would not have become so ill if her NDs had been recognised and acknowledged long before diagnosis.

And what is a “ socially excluded teen”?

Children on the periphery of society. Those not engaged in mainstream life. Maybe been in care/ known to criminal justice system, in youth homelessness system. Non school attenders. Used to be referred to as NEET but that terminology isn’t used now.

These are the sort of children I was thinking about in my posts- not children with diagnosis of ASD.

This!!!!

All that is important is that children are encouraged and supported to keep active and hopefully enjoy a sport. Taking part in events should be voluntary. It is separate to the remit of what PE in schools should do. All enforced Sports Day day( and often crappily taught PE lessons) do is put off the very children who need to be supported and encouraged in physical activity.

I am shocked you are in that job as ND can often be a big cause of what you have listed. You clearly have zero empathy or awareness and a whole lot of ignorance as regards ND.

Trauma- that is usually the root cause. Not neuro diversity. Yes- some might be, but many it is attachment and trauma.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=VMpIi-4CZK0

Well those with expertise actually disagree.https://www.catch-22.org.uk/resources/neurodiversity-in-the-criminal-justice-system/

It also acknowledged that those from the groups you have mentioned are more likely to have gone undiagnosed because of transient lifestyles.

Figures are so high more ND support is being put into prisons.

www.gov.uk/government/news/greater-support-for-neurodivergent-offenders-in-bid-to-cut-crime#:~:text=Neurodiversity%20support%20managers%20are%20now,adult%20prison%20population%20is%20neurodivergent.

It’s shocking you have the attitudes you do
if you are working with the young people you say you are.

yes I am aware that many in prison are neuro diverse. But that is not the sole cause of their offending. There are many other factors at play.

I am pretty sure addiction has a far bigger impact/ again I know they could be self medicating for the neuro diversity but often it is self medication for traumatic child hoods.

We need to stop attributing everything to ‘neuro diversity’ and meet people where they are at. Regardless of what they may have they still need to be able to function in society. Having adhd isn’t an excuse for committing a burglary or steeling a car- yes it may cause impulsivity but they still have to know what is acceptable and what is not.

You seem to think I am some kind of idiot who doesn’t understand- I do- I just have a different opinion.

An opinion based on ignorance.

“Trauma- that is usually the root cause. “

Who is attributing everything to ND?

And re functioning in society- define functioning.

You do realise that all the children you are working with have problems and that might because of many reasons. Lots of us have told you about happy, well adjusted, successful children who are now grown up with no ill effects from missing sports day. Maybe broaden your sample?

Trauma like other kids being allowed to exclude them?