David Tennant: women should "shut up"

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As a (now ex) David Tennant fan I was so disappointed to hear his speech yesterday. Whilst talking about trans rights he told his audience that he wanted a world where "we wake up and Kemi Badenoch doesn't exist anymore. I don't wish ill of her, I just wish her to shut up."

(There's some devious doublespeak here: if you wish someone didn't exist, you obviously wish them ill).

But more importantly, how dare he tell women to shut up about women's rights. Yet again powerful and privileged men tell women what they are and are not allowed to say. They must shut up whilst men speak. Their views are wrong, men are right.

Anyone has the right to believe that the rights of trans people are more important than the rights of women (although I believe this is profoundly wrong). What they do not have the right to do is bully, belittle and threaten women who disagree with them; who are trying to protect their hard fought rights.

I despair.

Believe what you want to believe, of course. In my constituency, it hasn't come up as an issue, and I am not hearing that it's been different elsewhere. The thing about Mumsnet is that it's an echo chamber - especially on this particular issue. What's said on here is absolutely not reflected across the general population. Anyway, we'll all find out on polling day, won't we?

Career ambition? In a Black woman? How utterly ghastly. Doesn't she know she should pipe down and let pRoGrEsSiVe rich white men do all her thinking for her?

I think it is absolutely clear that she has sat down, done the thinking and the work, and fought to get policy in place that will protect women against this tide of misogynist, reality-denying nonsense. I am a life-long lefty, profoundly grateful to her, and deeply apprehensive about what will happen when she is replaced by a Labour Party in thrall to trans activists.

So he could tell a white woman to shut up and you'd be OK with that? Her ethnicity seems irrelevant in this, whoever she is.

I would support any black woman that speaks for us attempting the greasy pole on either side of the political divide, however they are extremely thin on the ground in the Labour Party owing to the fact they are not allowed to exist at all, in any form.

Kemi Badenoch is quite likely to be the next Tory leader. I do hate her, because she's a horrible right-winger. It's nothing to do with her being a woman; I hate Nigel Farage, Jacob Rees Mogg, Christopher Chope and Philip Davies even more (not to mention Donald Trump!)

I don't wish them dead or physically harmed in any way; but I would like to see them and their viewpoints totally defeated.

Yes I’m sure Starmer cares not about his career

Just black women getting it wrong, too much opinion, too ambitious. Are they too uppity or something

How blatant is that?

This is a genuine question as I’m old but how does a 10 year old know what being non binary is?

See, that's where I'm going wrong. I don't answer the door as I'm on Mumsnet, and I'd just assume you were a Nottingham knocker trying to sell me an overpriced loo brush, which I wouldn't use anyway.

That wasn't according to Kemi. That was according to me.

Dissidents in the ranks?

Actually, according to a recent report by The Economist, gay men are amongst the wealthiest cohort in the UK with the most disposable income. Child gender dysphoria is most prevalently seen in the middle classes. Transwomen based on anecdata tend to be from middle class backgrounds. It's true that lesbains are fairly well represented in working class communities and there are a number of complex socio-economic reasons for this. But Lesbians are often terfs so let's not think about them.

Does the report refer to all gay men? For example, gay men from traditionally marginalised communities? I'm not just talking about Trans people. LGBTQ people have some of the worst health outcomes, disproportionate amounts of poverty, suicidal ideation and other mental health issues, social exclusion, familial ostracism, homophobia and hate crime.

Nope, my source is my eyes, which showed me a sea of braying pink posh looking faces, all squiffy on their own smug sense of self-righteaousness as they guffawed at the notion of a Black woman being 'put in her place' by a posh white bloke.

So absolutely no evidence to back up your claims?

Posh clothes, posh job, posh house, posh wife, luxury beliefs? The results of the test are...posh!

Tennant doesn't come from a privileged background. I'm sure many of the attendees didn't and you have no evidence that they did. He's wealthy but then so is Kimi, whose parents were doctors. She also holds/held a powerful position in government and has a lot of influence and power.

Ethnicity is never ever irrelevant! Where didn’t he go for JKR? Or similar? He picked out quite deliberately a black female politician. God help him if anything happens to her now. Disgusting.

Freedom of speech extreme left style = 'you are free to speak, but only if you agree with me'. Tennant is an absolute bore.
I won't be voting tory next week, but I can't vote labour either whilst they're supporting this type of rhetoric.

Do you look or listen to anything outside your echo chamber

Did you notice the reaction to Isla Bryson or hear anything in the last couple of days?

Or it just Labour threads and The Guardian

Probably been told by their cool and right on parents 😡

Adults getting it wrong for children

There is much I disagree with kemi on but she has taken time to meet with detransitioners and women's groups. When it comes to this particular issue it's clear she has done her research and understands the issues, which is more than can be said for her counterpart Anneliese Dodds

@calexico "What makes Kemi Badenoch far right?"

You can view her voting history in parliament here:

https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/25693/kemi_badenoch/saffron_walden/votes

On 26 Apr 2022:Kemi Badenoch voted against providing publicly funded legal representation for bereaved people at inquests where a public body has a connection to the case.

On 21 Sep 2021:Kemi Badenoch voted for rising prices, lower benefits, and higher taxes particularly for low and middle income workers.

Consistently voted against higher taxes on banks

Consistently voted for photographic voter identification at polling stations

Consistently voted for reducing central government funding of local government

Consistently voted against stronger fire safety measures
On 28 Apr 2021:Kemi Badenoch voted to allow the owners of buildings to pass on the costs of legally required fire safety improvements to leaseholders and tenants.

Voted against greater regulation of hydraulic fracturing (fracking) to extract shale gas

Consistently voted against improving air quality

Consistently voted against improving biodiversity

Voted against financial incentives for low carbon emission electricity generation methods

Consistently voted against improving environmental water quality

Generally voted against measures to prevent climate change

Generally voted against the preservation of environmental protections after withdrawal from the EU

Generally voted for increasing the state pension age

Consistently voted against UK membership of the EU

On 7 Dec 2021:Kemi Badenoch voted against explicitly requiring immigration and enforcement officers to avoid using their powers in a way that could endanger life at sea.

Kemi Badenoch voted against largely retaining the EU "Charter of Fundamental Rights" as part of UK law following the UK's withdrawal from the European Union.

On 20 Apr 2022:Kemi Badenoch voted not to explicitly require that no refugees will be returned to a country where they face serious threats to their life or freedom as a result of the operation of new asylum laws.

On 7 Jun 2021:Kemi Badenoch voted not to explicitly prohibit Advanced Research and Invention Agency resources from being used in any way that would contravene human rights.

On 19 May 2021:Kemi Badenoch voted against bringing Government policy in-line with human rights where the courts have found policy incompatible with human rights.

On 27 Jan 2021:Kemi Badenoch voted against restricting the scope of authorisations for criminal conduct by undercover officers and covert sources to exclude activities including causing death or bodily harm, violating the sexual integrity of an individual, obstructing justice, wrongful detention and torture.

On 27 Jan 2021:Kemi Badenoch voted against restricting the authorisation of criminal conduct by children and vulnerable sources to exceptional circumstances.

Voted for mass surveillance of people’s communications and activities

Almost always voted for a stricter asylum system

Consistently voted against reducing the rate of corporation tax

Generally voted against requiring imported goods to meet domestic standards

Consistently voted against reducing the maximum amount an individual may be required to contribute to their social care costs

Generally voted against fewer obstacles for access to abortion

Voted for reforming the NHS so GPs buy services on behalf of their patients

I can’t work out if David is speaking to the converted worshippers in the Labour Party and reaffirming that particular vile world view that our rights are irrelevant as women.
Or if David is in charge of a dog whistle to the red wall male reform voters.
51% of the worthless female vote was obviously not worth caring about and collateral damage. Labours hatred of women and girls seems to know no bounds.

I don't know how to tell you 'I've been out canvassing and speaking to people on the doorstep' in any other way tbh.

I wonder if KB’s defenders on here would love her just as much if when she takes us out of the ECHR.
Again she gave not one shit about Diane Abbott when the millionaire donor wanted to shoot her. Very telling.

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I'm not sure if you're being obtuse deliberately. Because he is well known, and people will click on articles/pictures featuring him, his event/his speech has been the subject of pieces on the BBC news website and in other national and local media. It's also been widely shared on SM. As has the pic of him in his somewhat threatening T-shirt about having to go through him to get to trans people.
So his views, his little speech, and the message on his T-shirt, are being looked at and thought about, I'd wager by quite a lot of people. (I'd strongly dispute that 'most people in this country won’t know who he is'; I refer you back to the fact that media outlets have picked up on and are disseminating his speech and actions. Also, look at any of the TV shows he's been in or any of his plays, for which tickets have consistently sold out in about two minutes.)

You already know the answer to this.

I have a ten year old. He hasn't a bloody clue what 'non-binary' is because no one is filling his head with nonsense.

I'm Scots, and I can confirm that the SNP's stance on this has gone down like a lead balloon. Indeed Patrick Harvie's deranged comments on the cass report was an aggravating factor in the SNP having to boot them out of government (below is actual footage of said booting 😂)

And? Politics is not just you on the doorstep

You seem to be missing the media and what people are talking about:

Exactly.

He said he wanted to find she doesn't exist anymore and for that he received big applause. He only qualified his disgusting statement when he realised that he had been too honest about his misogynistic and vile views.

Kemi Badenoch might only be one woman, but she speaks for the rights of all women.