David Tennant: women should "shut up"

[jacksonlamb]

As a (now ex) David Tennant fan I was so disappointed to hear his speech yesterday. Whilst talking about trans rights he told his audience that he wanted a world where "we wake up and Kemi Badenoch doesn't exist anymore. I don't wish ill of her, I just wish her to shut up."

(There's some devious doublespeak here: if you wish someone didn't exist, you obviously wish them ill).

But more importantly, how dare he tell women to shut up about women's rights. Yet again powerful and privileged men tell women what they are and are not allowed to say. They must shut up whilst men speak. Their views are wrong, men are right.

Anyone has the right to believe that the rights of trans people are more important than the rights of women (although I believe this is profoundly wrong). What they do not have the right to do is bully, belittle and threaten women who disagree with them; who are trying to protect their hard fought rights.

I despair.

You don't have to agree with Kemi Badenoch on everything, or even on this, to recognise that Tennant is an arrogant misogynist.

I do not believe that Badenoch is a champion for women - except on gender identity issues, where she’s been a star. Despite huge opposition and foot-dragging from within her own party (for example, in education).

Every public statement that she’s made has shown that she’s bothered to engage in detail with the issue, to understand the nuances, to read the literature. In stark contrast to all of her Labour counterparts who, even when they have tried to belatedly issue support for women’s rights, have rarely got it right and have continued to misunderstand the issues. On this specific issue, she’s been hugely impressive.

Women deserve well funded, excellent healthcare and to be able to be seen in person for assistance. Is there anything controversial about that?

Indeed.

Presumably because this is a thread about her support of single sex spaces rather than a discussion of her voting history.
DT said those things because of GC views, nothing else, and I for one am thankful Kemi does exist.

You think that's how it happens?

How does it happen? I agree that abortion pills should be taken under medical supervision. I don't think you should have to jump through any hoops except for attending a medical appointment. I'm concerned about the circumstances in which they could be misused by abusive men or other people in the household, but also there can be complications.

No. But if they, and this applies equally to men, don't want or need to be seen then provided their needs can be met safely they shouldn't be forced to attend in person.

Well that poster appears to believe women get pills thrown at them and told to fuck off.

I'm not suggesting it's manipulated but in trying to understand the outcome it's helpful to know what exactly was asked.

They clearly don't actually mean that, do they? They think it's an excuse to cut costs etc.

I'm not suggesting it's manipulated but in trying to understand the outcome it's helpful to know what exactly was asked.

Some questions (this is from the YouGov website)

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/explore/topic/Transgender

https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/LabourTogetherLabourMemberss231027TransgenderrRights_W.pdf

DT wanted KB not to exist and shut up because she held GC views, he was not attacking her for any other reason. I don't believe the Tories give a shit about women but they are the only party who are supporting us on this issue - all the other parties think we should shut up and just be kind.
I spoke to a Lib Dem candidate who came door knocking - she said she didn't know much about the issue but shared that quite a few women had raised it on the doorstep - now you'd think she'd read up on it but no, quite a few women's views don't matter enough for her to spend some time trying to understand the issues!

x.com/yougov/status/1549692153365991424?s=46&t=SPorwN-mokktL467rcZ57g

Yougov tweet in 2022

/ Where does the British public stand on transgender rights in 2022?

The key finding from our third major study into trans attitudes is that support for trans access rights has eroded since 2018, a shift which has taken place across all social groups

yougov.co.uk/topics/lifesty…

Exactly, most would realise they were not in a party that fundamentally aligned with their values.

Aren't Reform supportive? I thought they wanted to get rid off 'woke' thinking and trans ideology.

I spoke to a Lib Dem candidate who came door knocking - she said she didn't know much about the issue but shared that quite a few women had raised it on the doorstep - now you'd think she'd read up on it but no, quite a few women's views don't matter enough for her to spend some time trying to understand the issues!

Alex Cole Hamilton, Scottish Lib Dem Leader was savaged in a radio interview yesterday on Tennant and his own support for Beth Douglas, abusive TRA.

https://x.com/forwomenscot/status/1806234471852544212?s=46&t=SPorwN-mokktL467rcZ57g

Aren't Reform supportive? I thought they wanted to get rid off 'woke' thinking and trans ideology.

Are you canvassing for them @cupcaske123 ?

Seriously? For goodness sake. I have made my point clearly above - maybe I sounded pissed off because I AM pissed off that all too often cost cutting measures mean that women lose out. 🙄

It comes across to me that some people don't want to hear any criticism of KB or her views. She's a politician and her views on a particular issue can't be taken in isolation. I'm wondering what exactly she's achieved regarding women's rights and what the party she represents has achieved.

I think it's a bit rich to criticise someone for telling someone to shut up when women who are expressing dissenting opinions are being jumped on.

Simply making a point. I know women who have voted for Reform because of their stance on trans ideology.

As pp said, unlike Starmer etc she took time to understand women's concerns and concerns about safeguarding children. Maybe the bar is set very low but that's something I value in a politician, no matter what I make think of some of their other views.

What already? All postal votes I guess? 🤔

Just pointing out that if you want women not to vote for Reform, it's probably not a good idea to big them up @cupcaske123 🤷‍♀️

I think it's a bit rich to criticise someone for telling someone to shut up when women who are expressing dissenting opinions are being jumped on

Disagreement is not being 'jumped on'. 😂

What already? All postal votes I guess?

Must be.