David Tennant: women should "shut up"

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As a (now ex) David Tennant fan I was so disappointed to hear his speech yesterday. Whilst talking about trans rights he told his audience that he wanted a world where "we wake up and Kemi Badenoch doesn't exist anymore. I don't wish ill of her, I just wish her to shut up."

(There's some devious doublespeak here: if you wish someone didn't exist, you obviously wish them ill).

But more importantly, how dare he tell women to shut up about women's rights. Yet again powerful and privileged men tell women what they are and are not allowed to say. They must shut up whilst men speak. Their views are wrong, men are right.

Anyone has the right to believe that the rights of trans people are more important than the rights of women (although I believe this is profoundly wrong). What they do not have the right to do is bully, belittle and threaten women who disagree with them; who are trying to protect their hard fought rights.

I despair.

She's not being out on the media round that much because she's toxic to plenty of moderate people who might be shy Tories and drives them into Labour's hands.

I won't hold my breath.

Whilst talking about trans rights he told his audience that he wanted a world where "we wake up and Kemi Badenoch doesn't exist anymore. I don't wish ill of her, I just wish her to shut up."

next time i see a TRA saying that people wanting single-sex spaces is wishing trans people dead i will remind them of this, and that simply isn't true. Then i will move on with my life.

Frankly? i think he's a bit caught up in it all, unsurprising given his child, and it is just misplaced parental love and desire for the child to live their best life. Same with other parents of trans or NB children, surely? The noise to signal ratio is really changing recently though - and i think we may be entering a phase when the grown ups can have serious thoughts and discussions about the best way forward for everyone.

Not in Islington, no. But you do know that if isn’t everywhere..

It seems to me that it was David Tennant spreading hate, as he apparently can’t cope with a woman disagreeing with him.

No, please do.

Ah yes equal rights. You have the right to undress in a changing room and any man has an equal right to watch you.

You have the right to say you don't want to be examined intimately by a man in an NHS hospital and a man has the equal right to to have your treatment cancelled if you won't let him touch you.

Full-heartedly agree, thank you OP for wonderful clarity on this.....Anyone has the right to believe that the rights of trans people are more important than the rights of women (although I believe this is profoundly wrong). What they do not have the right to do is bully, belittle and threaten women who disagree with them; who are trying to protect their hard fought rights

Exactly. And what's the point of her leading a hard right party when there's already Farage doing that with Reform? If the Conservatives and Reform are going to go head to head, with leaders (Badenoch and Farage) who are basically on the same page, then they're consigning themselves to oblivion.

Well that’s not true given how Isla Bryson went down, loads of backlash, and you can see it in the press currently

Maybe not if it’s just The Guardian you’re looking at but even the BBC has picked it up a bit

I think it’s worse that he wants”just” one women to disappear, or shut up. It focuses the Tra lunatics on her, rather than just general misogynistic hate to all women. It makes it more likely KB will be attacked.

it doesn’t matter if you agree with her views or her politics, you always need to attack the argument, not the person.

my view is that any successful, powerful, rich white man, who attacks a female for holding views he disagrees with, rather than the views is misogynistic ( or a bit of a prat ) and to say what he said, then suffix it with a complete reverse, that he wished her no harm, is a tad Trumpian in using vague deniability.

it follows the current problem with successful females being told to shut up and threatened, when they say something others disagree with. I find it interesting that Sunak leapt to Diane Abbot's defence (as all people should have done irrespective of their political views) but Dawn Butler jumped on the pile, against KB. I doubt Keir Starmer will comment until he sees which way the wind is going.

FWIW, I disagree with a lot of KB political views, but I absolutely defend her right to have them. She was elected by her constituents because of those views and has a legitimate platform. DT should be admonished for trying to shut her up.

Oh no! Are you wishing I don't exist now, like the evil Tennant? Seems a bit hypocritical but you do you.

Also don't forget that we mustn't ever agree with even one thing an apparently Bad Person says as by default that means we are "in bed with them" and endorsed every thing they have ever said ever and are therefore Bad People by association.

Kemi Deserves Better Than This

Yes so much for less heat or whatever his lot keep saying

Way to stir it up

Nope. It's from actually standing on the doorstep talking to voters.

They suffer disproportionately from poverty, social exclusion, poor mental health, homophobia, poor health outcomes and of course hate crime.

As far as I can see, the TQ+ part are an absolute sacred caste. In terms of the poor mental health, I would question which came first also.

My gay friends don't suffer from any poverty or social exclusion, and have not for the last two decades at least.

He chose to attack Kemi as she is a hard Tory. And what of the thousands and thousands of other women, the gender critical women on the left, of whatever political persuasion, who broadly agree with her stance on this issue? If Kemi disappears from public view, loses her seat next week, does this kind of man also want those women 'not to exist'? I rather think he does. Stop carping about the OP's title, you know exactly what Tennant is implying here. I suspect there are a lot of male TRAs on this thread.

To all of them? That’s moving fast

Although good to hear the Labour ‘no one’s talking about it’ being picked up again

Because I don't care for Badenoch and her views? That's a bit of an unwarranted reach. You're getting very personal and embarrassing yourself.

Really - I’m interesting to see the factual backup of that statement or have you just bought into the ‘poor marginalised LGBTQ+ community we only get one month of celebrations and our flag is only plastered on 85% of public buildings’

That wasn't Kemi's belief. It's MY belief.

Unlike David tennant I can tolerate a multiplicity of opinions without my brain collapsing in on itself like a badly made souffle and resorting to ranting about my enemies not existing. It's called being well adjusted and well socialised.

I find it staggering even on this - such a racist despicable comment, that the Labour diehards on here STILL can’t find it within themselves as HUMAN BEINGS to call this out for what it is.

It’s fucking sickening.

Their politics is more important than racist attacks, attacks on women’s rights, attacks on free speech and targeting a single black woman like this is monstrous. It just beggars belief. I am disappointed in people on here I can tell you. No decency or morality whatsoever.

Is there anything in Badenoch's scramble up the greasy pole to suggest she's really interested in women's rights and not just latching onto the 'men in single sex spaces' thing to advance her career.

Is this David Tennant the actor? From Dr Who?

He may well be well known and liked, but what does that have to do with his views on gender? If he’s socially privileged (not sure what that means) that’s passed me by, but I can’t see how social privilege would make his views any more relevant or important or noteworthy than anyone else’s. And whatever platform he has is self-assigned: we are all free to ignore and pay attention to whomever we choose. We all have our own minds.

As for him having a lot of power - sorry but that’s just ridiculous. HOW does David Tennant have any, let alone a lot of power? I’d venture that most people in this country won’t know who he is; of those who do, the vast majority would laugh at the idea of him having any power. It’s basically just Dr Who fans (not just the viewship), most of whom I’m going to guess aren’t even old enough to vote. So a teeny tiny corner of the voting population.

Davis Tennant has absolutely no power over anyone who doesn’t allow him to have power over them.

This whole thread is utterly depressing. General election next week and someone is bothered about what a random tv actor thinks about a single, specific issue. No wonder we’re all in this utter shite of a mess.