David Tennant: women should "shut up"

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As a (now ex) David Tennant fan I was so disappointed to hear his speech yesterday. Whilst talking about trans rights he told his audience that he wanted a world where "we wake up and Kemi Badenoch doesn't exist anymore. I don't wish ill of her, I just wish her to shut up."

(There's some devious doublespeak here: if you wish someone didn't exist, you obviously wish them ill).

But more importantly, how dare he tell women to shut up about women's rights. Yet again powerful and privileged men tell women what they are and are not allowed to say. They must shut up whilst men speak. Their views are wrong, men are right.

Anyone has the right to believe that the rights of trans people are more important than the rights of women (although I believe this is profoundly wrong). What they do not have the right to do is bully, belittle and threaten women who disagree with them; who are trying to protect their hard fought rights.

I despair.

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I'm with @ilovesooty , Meeting. I don't think it's 99% at all. More like 99.999999999999999999999%

The other 000000000000000000.1% work at the Guardian and haven't quite finished reading Journalism for Dummies, maybe they will one day though.

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Well I'm not trans and she doesn't speak for me in terms of her general expressed views. I doubt I'm on my own there.

Stop twisting it

That's obviously not what I'm saying. Trans kids are part of the LGBTQ community but the majority of trans kids aren't the offspring of celebrities.

parents who go along with transing primary kids or any aged kids, are most often middle
class lefties with the income
level necessary to hold ridiculous luxury beliefs. Tennant is a wee eejit.

Some heads I have noticed are so firmly lodged in the bowels of the Labour Party even a disgusting comment like this won’t cut it, as it’s Kemi - a strong and powerful advocate of women’s rights, and they are not allowed to have one in the Labour Party. Everyone has to bow to the activists or they are out on the scrawny backsides. Keir won’t stand for women’s rights, he has made that VERY clear thanks.

Kemi is bloody awesome.

Plus adults going on about ‘trans kids’ are not helping children in any way

They suffer disproportionately from poverty, social exclusion, poor mental health, homophobia, poor health outcomes and of course hate crime.

It is very violence coded, and it’s one way to make clear you have no good arguments. As it happens I think there are some good arguments to be made on the pro trans rights side of this debate, and I’m no Kemi Badenoch fan, not by a long shot, but telling someone you wish they would shut up and not exist anymore is terrible. She is taking a position on this which many people agree with, so insulting her is effectively insulting them.
From a political perspective, this is a very very bad issue to be brought up for Labour as they are so close to a slam dunk, but there are something like 18% of women still undecided according to some polls. Given that every other party apart from reform are v pro trans rights this could really benefit the Tories. If I was their strategist I would be all over this- and I would not let the issue drop- it is the only big issue they have which they can claim any success in.
If DT wanted to promote liberalism - he failed; if he wanted to promote Labour over the Tories, he failed, if he wanted to get people who might be otherwise indifferent to the suffering of trans people to care about them and their rights- he massively failed.
The only thing he succeeded in was getting a big old cheer from a room who already loves him, and reminding a large chunk of people that there are still some things they agree with the tories on.

There is no such thing as ‘trans kids’ only confused young people bewildered by the hellscape that is identity politics in this country in 2024.
Most children need mental health support and ND assessment. Not labels, medical intervention and stereotyping.

You can put that interpretation on it if you like. I think she's thoroughly unpleasant.

yes @EasternStandard and the Cass review clearly shows this. But TRAs think the Cass review, which was painstakingly written and researched by experts in their field over years, is transphobic. You just couldn't make this Orwellian shit up. 🤣

Wouldn’t you just love to have her in your party though. She would take Keir and his dithering to the cleaners.

Firstly why are people necessarily up the backside of the LP if they disagree with
KB ? People can just dislike her views can’t they ?

’Strong and powerful advocate of women’s’ rights’
That’s why she hates migrants and wants to take us out of the ECHR ? Why she had no sympathy for fellow woman of colour Diane Abbott ?

Ironically, this is exactly what Kemi does not believe. She has very specifically stated that Britain is not built on a foundation of colonisation or slavery, so it's quite strange to see her staunchly right wing views being defended on this basis.

I wouldn't want her anywhere near any party I was considering voting for.

You’re treating politics like a bloody football match. Why ?

If she's capable of doing this, then why isn't she?

He isn't a 'random man', though; he is well known, liked and socially privileged. He has a platform and a lot of power.
I agree with you in the sense that I personally view him as basically the nutter standing at the edge of the park shouting at squirrels, and I don't care, personally, what he says. But it is disingenuous to act like no one is listening to him and his words and actions aren't having an effect.

You only identify with brawling unionists in cheap polyester suits it seems. You mustn’t call her a woman though, cis deputy leader.

I don’t agree with most of Kemi Badenoch's views but I do agree with her views on this subject, as do very many other women. The views in question are neither "extreme" nor "unpleasant", but DT's comments were both. You sound like those who label everyone who wishes no harm to trans people but disagrees with some of their aims as "hateful / bigots / transphobes". Disagreement is not the same thing as hate, though DT's comments are certainly hateful.

David Tennant doesn’t have to agree with her. He is welcome to give his own views and shouldn’t disapprove of other people giving theirs, as long as they say nothing an impartial person would consider hateful.

It’s coming.

Nobody really cares much about this issue outside Mumsnet, which is why the Tory party aren't all over it. If anything, it's working against them as it looks like a very niche wedge issue and suggests they're ignoring the bigger picture re the massive slide in living standards. It doesn't come up as an issue on the doorstep for canvassers.