David Tennant: women should "shut up"

[jacksonlamb]

As a (now ex) David Tennant fan I was so disappointed to hear his speech yesterday. Whilst talking about trans rights he told his audience that he wanted a world where "we wake up and Kemi Badenoch doesn't exist anymore. I don't wish ill of her, I just wish her to shut up."

(There's some devious doublespeak here: if you wish someone didn't exist, you obviously wish them ill).

But more importantly, how dare he tell women to shut up about women's rights. Yet again powerful and privileged men tell women what they are and are not allowed to say. They must shut up whilst men speak. Their views are wrong, men are right.

Anyone has the right to believe that the rights of trans people are more important than the rights of women (although I believe this is profoundly wrong). What they do not have the right to do is bully, belittle and threaten women who disagree with them; who are trying to protect their hard fought rights.

I despair.

So these kids aren’t part of the LGBTQ community? Wow that’s quite a statement

Agree with this

It's a defence mechanism of some description. Either like you say, due to him perhaps questioning himself. Or, it's just a nasty 'don't you fucking dare question me' arrogance. Neither of which are particularly pleasant attributes.

It's noticeable how much more aggressive men become, once they are entrenched in these beliefs.

It's very similar to my uncle who is a right wing conspiracy theorist. It seems that if someone falls down a rabbit hole, they will do more and more to 'prove' they are right. Particularly when they are questioned, and / or appear to be losing your argument

The LGBTQ community are some of the least privileged in society.

Could you clarify in which sense they are "least priviledged"? I'm not seeing it.

Yes, good point. It would be nice if she lost her seat but unfortunately that's unlikely
. I suspect that anything she says or does is carefully planned to facilitate her own personal ambition

Also 'trans kids' are statistically WAY over represented among celebrity parents. What are we to make of that?

Typical from someone like that

Not according to Kemi, it isn't.

That wasn't according to Kemi. That was according to me.

The LGBTQ community are some of the least privileged in society.

Actually, according to a recent report by The Economist, gay men are amongst the wealthiest cohort in the UK with the most disposable income. Child gender dysphoria is most prevalently seen in the middle classes. Transwomen based on anecdata tend to be from middle class backgrounds. It's true that lesbains are fairly well represented in working class communities and there are a number of complex socio-economic reasons for this. But Lesbians are often terfs so let's not think about them.

Do you have a breakdown of attendees by race and background?

Nope, my source is my eyes, which showed me a sea of braying pink posh looking faces, all squiffy on their own smug sense of self-righteaousness as they guffawed at the notion of a Black woman being 'put in her place' by a posh white bloke.

Tennant isn't 'posh' btw.

Posh clothes, posh job, posh house, posh wife, luxury beliefs? The results of the test are...posh!

Wrong thread 🤦🏻‍♀️

Wrong end of the stick love and your thread title is click bait.

There are some specific women (and men) I wish would 'shut up'. I am not famous so people don't care what I think.
And @wibblywobblywoo no it is not.

I can't believe he thinks this is a good look for him!

I’m startled by the defence of David Tenant earlier in the thread. I’ve been a massive fan but he’s joined the list of people I can no longer find entertaining. Their vile behaviour stops me enjoying their performance.

Have you disagreed with him yet?

I've always admired his acting but he seems to be slowly losing the plot on and off screen. Arrogance isn't attractive in anyone.

How is she vile? I see a strong, intelligent woman who is rising in ranks in a field rampant with misogyny who isn't afraid to stand up for women's rights.

I would say the men demanding access to women's spaces, and those supporting them are vile personally.

On the contrary, it's a valid point.

No but he singled her out specifically because of her stance on women's rights.

Kemi speaks for 99% of us! Ofc it matters. We all know what he meant I wish they didn’t exist and wpuld shut up. The irony of him being a man is astounding.

99%? I doubt it.

Do you literally not see how very basically wrong it is to wish someone dead because they have a different view to you, about one thing or many? Free speech is being eroded under the guise of "it's better this way". No, it isn't.

And you think it's OK because you feel on the 'correct' side of the fence by hating Trump? Soon there'll be the next person with views you, and the very illiberal liberals, deem 'unacceptable' and the next......until one day it's your turn to say the wrong thing, and who'll be left to stick up for your right to your own view then.....no one.

When Nazism began it had a popular following because it found easy targets and made people feel powerful and 'correct' by ridding themselves of these 'undesirables' .

And here we are again,at a point where anyone who doesn't hold certain proscribed views is deemed 'far right' (🙄) and according to you it's fine to wish 'those people' dead. Dead.

Truly we have regressed.

Because there's plenty of white women in his field of work, and even in parliament who have the same views as Kemi. His targeting of her could be just because she's in government, but it could be because she is a black woman.

The sheer gall of the little shit, how dare he speak to a black woman like that, he has singled her out because at some point she is going to be our next PM.

He's going down the Owen Jones and Jolyon Maugham route.

Posh privileged men educated beyond their own innate intellectual competence embrace a mad ideology but find it harder and harder to defend as empirical facts and events stack up against it.

The strain of defending the indefensible along with the well-researched stress of cognitive dissonance becomes a sort of mind virus.

Eventually they end up ranting on a stage about Black women that shouldn't exist, or equally ranting on twitter about evil shadowy forces controlled by Israel and some bloke on Tufton Street,

It's quite sad, when it isn't funny as hell.

Well I am factoring in the 1% trans figures which are the official figures- maybe they think it’s dreadful too, agreed.