David Tennant: women should "shut up"

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As a (now ex) David Tennant fan I was so disappointed to hear his speech yesterday. Whilst talking about trans rights he told his audience that he wanted a world where "we wake up and Kemi Badenoch doesn't exist anymore. I don't wish ill of her, I just wish her to shut up."

(There's some devious doublespeak here: if you wish someone didn't exist, you obviously wish them ill).

But more importantly, how dare he tell women to shut up about women's rights. Yet again powerful and privileged men tell women what they are and are not allowed to say. They must shut up whilst men speak. Their views are wrong, men are right.

Anyone has the right to believe that the rights of trans people are more important than the rights of women (although I believe this is profoundly wrong). What they do not have the right to do is bully, belittle and threaten women who disagree with them; who are trying to protect their hard fought rights.

I despair.

Karen White sexually assaulted and harassed women while in a womens prison, he also repeatedly raped a woman while on a women's psychiatric ward.

Citation needed.

Sir keir I believe, wants to see self id through the backdoor.

www.spectator.co.uk/article/labour-is-calling-for-self-id-in-all-but-name/

You can check for yourself.

It's not.

Thinking that being gay undermines family values or cheapening what marriage means is just exactly that - thoughts. No one is at risk of physical harm. Being attacked for being gay by someone homophobic is a different kettle of fish.

Men declaring they are women and thinking they then have the right to enter women's spaces with abandon means women are at physical and emotional risk of harm.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/24/government-figures-70-per-cent-of-transgender-prisoners-are/

@MrsSkylerWhite if you’re not ok with men in female sports how do you feel about men in female changing rooms?

Sorry I wasn't clear. It says in Labour's manifesto, that they aren't bringing in self ID. I assume what you mean is someone in the Labour party has said they will. Who said that?

The article is behind a pay wall. No one has said that's the plan. Unless of course you have evidence it is.

Of course I know how violent men can be. I simply don’t understand the disproportionate mistrust, suspicion and downright hatred from some towards TW.

Why would it be disproportionate if we're treating them like other men?

Your opinion, to me, means women are put at more risk.

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TheKeatingFive · Today 13:38
I don’t consider TW to be any more of a threat than any other person. I don’t judge anyone as part of a “group” but as an individual.
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Do you consider men to be more of a threat than women?

Some men, obviously. My father and brother were. And these days it’s not hard not to looking at the news. As an adult, aged 60, though, I’ve never personally felt threatened after leaving my childhood home. Of course, others do and live with violence. My own mum did. Took her 13 years to leave my dad in the early 70s. Her second husband of 40 plus years is a lovely person.

So know, I don’t assume every man I encounter is a potential threat. I refuse to live that way. It would be exhausting and my personal evidence tells me pointless because they haven’t been. We can all only form opinions based on personal experience.

I would argue we should not be incarcerating ANY biological male in a female prison. Rapist or not.

Not Self ID quite. But very close. Sign off on GRC to immediate effect, after 1 consultation with GP.

Was this biological male in the main part of a female establishment and free to rape female prisoners?

Or, as I suspect was the case, isolated

In other words, unless we don't have women officers establishments where there are males, this can happen and it's down to the abysmal working conditions in prisons.

I know somebody, a friend of my kids and now in her thirties, who was recruited to the Prison Service and baled out after a few weeks due to dangerous conditions.

Yes they are - that’s the whole point!

EasternStandard · Today 13:49
if you’re not ok with men in female sports how do you feel about men in female changing rooms?

If they weren’t competing with women, they’d have no reason to be there.

Do you mean changing rooms in shops, etc?
As those I’ve used have individual cubicles it’s not something that’s ever worried me, personally. Same with public toilets. I appreciate that others have had different experiences.

I don't get the whole 'oh I know men are harmful, but trans women are not'. How does one arrive at this?

Does announcing that one is trans means you are absolved of all risk of harm? Is it a sacred caste that they can't possibly be harmful because of inner identity feels?

Do you not think they there might be some (not all 🙄) that might use nefarious reasons to access and harm women hence why the whole concept of single sex spaces exist for a reason?

The above by the way doesn't mean everyone hates transwomen. They just want men to stay out of women's spaces.

Why do you prefer male criminals in female prisons?

So it's 'they'? More than one Labour candidate has said they'll bring in self ID? Any evidence? A quote for example? Some names?

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The above by the way doesn't mean everyone hates transwomen. They just want men to stay out of women's spaces“

I don’t disagree with you. Personally, I’m not concerned but understand that others are.
What I simply don’t understand is the automatic suspicion and mistrust of some activists towards TW, most of whom would be more than happy to use third spaces but they’re simply not provided. Listening to radio phone ins, I’ve heard people say that there’s no such thing as TW, they don’t exist. Imagine hearing that about yourself.

Seriously? All this "by the back door" shit is made up nonsense. I'm just waiting for someone to say that Labour has plans to invade "Madagascar" by the back door.🙄

If you can't argue against JK's views without making up shit about her, your argument can't be a good one.

Accusing people of calling you a liar because they ask for proof that your assertions aren't made up is a pathetic attempt to deflect from the false assertion you made about JK.

Kellie-Jay certainly doesn't look good in that video, but - unlike - David Tennant she didn't pick on one particular individual. Neither is there any evidence that JK endorsed her words.

I notice that everyone else who asked you to provide evidence has given up. I think we all know you made it up.

Many Labour party MP's and Kier Starmer signed a trans rights pledge and promised to do just that, implement self ID. Then they dropped the idea and then they suggested changes to the GRA and Equality Act.
They've started to talk about women's 'safe spaces' instead of 'single sex exemptions'.

She said she wants to annihilate women who stand in her way. She comes across as deranged.

I haven't heard or seen anywhere (at least on here) that trans people don't exist. Women just want men to stay out of their spaces. I don't care how anyone wants to live their lives, or how they dress. They don't however, automatically get to enter spaces, or sports where they possess an advantage purely for being male. That can believe what they want but they don't have to compel me to believe something that's fundamentally not true either. That's up to me.

I've asked many times on here to all the people who pop up to say 'you hate trans people!' if that's the case why don't women have a problem with transmen in their spaces?

I don't see any transwoman fighting for third spaces. If a faction weren't trying to go into spaces they shouldn’t and trying to break the social contract that currently exists with sec based spaces, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Why don't all those who say transwomen aren't a problem campaign to tackle male violence against women and girls and get those stats down and maybe women would feel differently in the future?