David Tennant: women should "shut up"

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As a (now ex) David Tennant fan I was so disappointed to hear his speech yesterday. Whilst talking about trans rights he told his audience that he wanted a world where "we wake up and Kemi Badenoch doesn't exist anymore. I don't wish ill of her, I just wish her to shut up."

(There's some devious doublespeak here: if you wish someone didn't exist, you obviously wish them ill).

But more importantly, how dare he tell women to shut up about women's rights. Yet again powerful and privileged men tell women what they are and are not allowed to say. They must shut up whilst men speak. Their views are wrong, men are right.

Anyone has the right to believe that the rights of trans people are more important than the rights of women (although I believe this is profoundly wrong). What they do not have the right to do is bully, belittle and threaten women who disagree with them; who are trying to protect their hard fought rights.

I despair.

Exactly this.

No he didn’t. He didn’t say that at any point in the debate.

I was reading some of Keir Starmer's biography at the weekend (the biography was written with Starmer's co-operation). There's a section on the Hartlepool by-election (2021) which followed after Labour MP Mike Hill resigned - several years after he was accused of sexually assaulting a female member of staff. The biography claims that the by-election came about because he (Starmer) took 'swift action' against the MP and gives some details about the case. However, the victim would completely disagree that Starmer (who had been in post for a year) took 'swift action' and she was very vocal about it. Mr Hill wasn't even suspended when he quit (he was briefly suspended in 2019). How this case can be used as an example of Starmer taking 'swift action' is beyond me:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-56436341
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jun/03/ms-a-woman-mp-mike-hill-labour-complaints-process-geraint-davies-harassment-allegations
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jan/22/labour-mp-fails-in-bid-to-remain-anonymous-in-sexual-assault-case

She's probably gone back to patrolling Dover for foreigners.

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I’d venture that most people in this country won’t know who he is

According to this YouGov Survey - 95% of respondents had heard of him;

The Most Famous Actors (Q1 2024)
https://yougov.co.uk/ratings/entertainment/fame/actors/all

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Even Tom Swarbrick on LBC who’s an ex Cameron SPAD

I thought Tom Swarbrick worked for Theresa May.

I find people who want us to withdraw from the European Convention on Human Rights highly unpleasant.

I find people who are praised by Ron deSantis for their 'war on woke ideology' deeply suspect. .Ron DeSantis Praises Kemi Badenoch For Her War On 'Woke Ideology' | HuffPost UK Politics (huffingtonpost.co.uk). DeSantis does not support women's rights: e.g he recently signed a ban on abortion after six weeks. Of course, his endorsement of Badenoch could have been troublemaking, but I don't think that she ever repudiated him.

It's interesting actually watching the DT speech. He says that everyone should be 'free to be who they want to be' 'as long as they're not hurting anyone else' - yes David, you've obviously not paid attention. Other people are being harmed. Women and children are being harmed.

Have you heard of Keira Bell? She was a child harmed by trans ideology, by being sold the lie you can change sex.

Have you heard of the child victims of K Dolatowski? They were harmed by a 6ft 5 male bodied paedophile with a trans identity in the mislabelled 'women's' toilets.

What about Andrew / Amy Miller's child victim?

What about the women incarcerated with male rapists in 'women's' prisons who are living in fear of sexual assault.

How many victims do there need to be David before you'll listen to an opinion that differs from yours?

No, he didn't. I WISH he intended to do that, but there's no sign of it whatsoever.

The women who had been raped by male bodies who sought help at Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre and asked for single sex support and were branded as bigots and told to fuck off (essentially)?

Meetingofminds · Today 21:19
Starmer has just announced he intends to take us back into the EU with FOM !!!! Wtaf!!!!!

That would be excellent.

This is her voting record so far - www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/25693/kemi_badenoch/saffron_walden/votes

Some of it includes, for example:

1. voting against improving air quality
2. voting against improving water quality
3. voting against measures to improve biodiversity
4. voting against measures to prevent climate change
5. voted against stronger fire safety measures
6. voted against landlords paying for the costs of building safety works
7. voted for a stricter asylum system
8. voted for more mass surveillance
9. voted against laws to improve equality and human rights

I was surprised at some of these, as I mainly know of her through her comments on transgender rights and race.

I think what you’re doing here is listing a few cases that are particularly horrible and tragic, with the aim of making the false point that most transgender people want to be transgender because they want to hurt others or that transgender people will likely regret their decision to change sex and therefore will suffer. I think that’s a really misleading and inaccurate argument.

More women being harmed:

The woman raped by a transgender male body on a hospital ward and the subsequent coercive control and gaslighting by the NHS trust of that woman rape victim who further abused the women for a YEAR despite CCTV footage of the rape.

Failed to safeguard her (by having a single sex space) then lied about it causing immeasurable harm. https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/uk-hospital-admits-bowing-to-gender-ideology-after-denying-a-patient-was-raped-because-accused-man-is-transgender/

The nurses taking an NHS trust to employment tribunal because they not only no longer have the safety and dignity of single sex spaces, but they're also being gaslit and threatened for saying they would like single sex spaces and have also allegedly had negative experiences with fully intact male bodied people in the 'women's' changing rooms.

So much for stopping sexual harassment of female HCP staff, this is going in the other direction. Condoned by management.

www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/24409733.darlington-memorial-nurses-speak-publicly-trans-legal-battle/

That if you have a dick you aint a chick

Single sex spaces for women

I'm not making that point at all. You have reading comprehension issues.

There is no issue with third spaces which protect women, children and trans people. Why's the NHS trust not just having a third space plus single sex spaces?

Muslim women can't access mixed sex spaces, so Muslim nurses can't work at that NHS trust. That's discrimination.

If women don't have single sex spaces, many are excluded from public life.

If transgender people aren't a threat, then they'll be happy with third spaces. many in fact are. But TRAs aren't happy with third spaces. They want access to unconsenting women.

The overwhelming majority of rapists, sexual abusers and sex pests are non-trans men.

Here is Kemi Badenoch a few years ago, showing how deeply concerned she is (NOT) about women being sexually harrassed by men:

Rising Tory star Kemi Badenoch hits out at 'puritanical' pursuit of people over sexual harassment (telegraph.co.uk)

Well that's rather my point. Male bodied people are a threat. 98% of sexual offenders are male bodied. It's the male body that's the issue, not the gender identity. And there should be safeguarding based on the material fact of sex, not gender.

Women aren't bothered about trans identified females in women's single sex spaces. Trans identified females are very welcome, and will be safer in female single sex spaces like all other females.

There have been some horrendous cases of transmen who've been raped by male-bodied people.

The vast majority of transwomen retain their penis.

More women who've been harmed by transgender ideology and have had to go to court because of the harm they've suffered. And won.

Jo Phoenix (academic), Rachel Meade (social worker), Denise Fahmy (Arts Council), RA (rape counsellor who tried to support women who'd been raped and was called a bigot for doing so), Maya Forstater, Allison Bailey (barrister).

The court cases are very revealing about the harms these women have suffered.

Sonia Appleby was the safeguarding lead at the Tavistock who whistleblew because she was blocked from doing her job to safeguard children and said that clinicians were discouraged from bringing their safeguarding concerns to her as safeguarding lead. She won her Employment Tribunal. She is not the only whistleblower from the Tavistock who was concerned children were being harmed and who were silenced and suffered harm as a result.

So David Tennant saying 'no-one is being harmed' is flat wrong.

I found Tennant's comments about Kemi Badenoch and his gleeful almost manic demeanour disturbing. But even more disturbing is his use of his young child's personality and preferred self-expression as a way of gaining woke points and social capital.

All of my children have had gender non-conforming traits at one time or another. Sometimes temporary, sometimes more permanent. I don't think that's unusual and just confirms that sexist stereotypes are artificial, stifling and potentially damaging for both boys and girls. As a small child my DS loved singing gay anthems and twirling around to to Jimmy Somerville. He wore lots of his sister's hand-me-downs and grew his hair long. At no point did we draw any conclusions about his future sexuality from that or suggest that it meant he wasn't really a boy. Your sex is your sex. The way you dress or play, or your interests or personality don't change that.

Tennant and Moffat must be stupid to think that the messages they are giving their son are logical, responsible or progressive. For them to claim that their 10 year old is a member of the LGBTQ+ community is ludicrous. Just as ludicrous as it would have been for me to make that claim about my young son. Who knows what the future will bring for Tennant Jr, but the way his parents have responded to his natural nonconformity, made his 'gender identity' the source of his specialness within a large family, and embraced a regressive quasi-religious ideology will have left its mark. They need to give their heads a wobble.

I don’t have issues with understanding your original post at all. Your original post mentioned several quite shocking cases involving transgender people, and I was trying to understand what you were getting at with that post. You didn’t mention anything about ‘third spaces’ in that original post, as you do in this post (which, by the way, I agree with you about).

It's simple, David Tennant said that people 'being who they want to be' (i.e. self identifying into another 'gender' or 'sex') doesn't harm anyone.

So I was pointing out a very few of the many cases where actual harm has occurred by 'people being who they want to be', hence proving David Tennant wrong.

He's an idiot with no grasp of reality or the facts. And yet has supreme confidence to tell a government minister to 'shut up' and publicly declare he wishes she didn't exist at all.

Misogynist arse.

He hasn't told me to shut up!