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David Tennant: women should "shut up"

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jacksonlamb · 26/06/2024 13:36

As a (now ex) David Tennant fan I was so disappointed to hear his speech yesterday. Whilst talking about trans rights he told his audience that he wanted a world where "we wake up and Kemi Badenoch doesn't exist anymore. I don't wish ill of her, I just wish her to shut up."

(There's some devious doublespeak here: if you wish someone didn't exist, you obviously wish them ill).

But more importantly, how dare he tell women to shut up about women's rights. Yet again powerful and privileged men tell women what they are and are not allowed to say. They must shut up whilst men speak. Their views are wrong, men are right.

Anyone has the right to believe that the rights of trans people are more important than the rights of women (although I believe this is profoundly wrong). What they do not have the right to do is bully, belittle and threaten women who disagree with them; who are trying to protect their hard fought rights.

I despair.

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Meetingofminds · 26/06/2024 19:09

Aladdinzane · 26/06/2024 18:52

One minister, which was a joke, and had been done before.

Funnily enough there was money, the national debt is significantly higher than what it was in 2010.

Labour even ran surpluses in their first term and debt to GDP was at a far lower level.

The idea of tory economic competence is utterly discredited

Except it wasn’t a joke and both Gordon Brown and Toby Blair have expressed their regret at spending so much and not preparing the country for the financial
meltdown that followed.

THAT is the reason why the conservatives have been in power, because no one trusts Labour with money.

EasternStandard · 26/06/2024 19:10

pointythings · 26/06/2024 19:05

I don't actually have a problem with what he said. There are many Tories I wish didn't exist. Male, female, all colours, creeds and backgrounds. All the ones who have been responsible for the deaths of benefit claimants, the stifling of legitimate peaceful protest, Brexit, Rwanda, the Bibby Stockholm, the shit in our rivers, the massive cuts to council funding - they can all just vanish as far as I'm concerned. Personally I'll settle for them losing their seats, but honestly I wouldn't shed a tear if they all left the country or just popped out of existence.

There are many other politicians I also wish would disappear, but they haven't been running the UK for 14 years.

I suppose wishing people didn’t exist is a new take

Trouble is it can always come back your way and people think that about a group you or people you care about are in

paperrocksiscissors · 26/06/2024 19:11

Meetingofminds · 26/06/2024 19:09

Except it wasn’t a joke and both Gordon Brown and Toby Blair have expressed their regret at spending so much and not preparing the country for the financial
meltdown that followed.

THAT is the reason why the conservatives have been in power, because no one trusts Labour with money.

And no-one trusts the Tories with money ever , ever again after the last 14 years

cupcaske123 · 26/06/2024 19:12

Meetingofminds · 26/06/2024 19:09

Except it wasn’t a joke and both Gordon Brown and Toby Blair have expressed their regret at spending so much and not preparing the country for the financial
meltdown that followed.

THAT is the reason why the conservatives have been in power, because no one trusts Labour with money.

Liz Truss?

The Tories never eliminated the deficit, and the national debt (the sum of every annual shortfall) has steadily risen from 64.7% of gross domestic product (GDP) in 2010 to 96.5% currently – the highest level since the 1960s.

Meetingofminds · 26/06/2024 19:13

paperrocksiscissors · 26/06/2024 19:11

And no-one trusts the Tories with money ever , ever again after the last 14 years

Well they didn’t get us into billions of pounds worth of debt, and spent ten years paying off Labours vanity projects! Incredibly people have very short memories of those times.

Looks like exactly the same will happen again too.

Meetingofminds · 26/06/2024 19:15

cupcaske123 · 26/06/2024 19:12

Liz Truss?

The Tories never eliminated the deficit, and the national debt (the sum of every annual shortfall) has steadily risen from 64.7% of gross domestic product (GDP) in 2010 to 96.5% currently – the highest level since the 1960s.

Don’t be silly. Truss didn’t sell the country’s gold for a cut price, she was trying to rev up the country’s economy- there are many esteemed economists that still agree with her policies and vision.

Labour will bankrupt us again - guaranteed. This time we don’t have the cushion of the nation’s silver to flog.

MalvernHillbilly · 26/06/2024 19:15

I’ve just listened to what Tennant actually said on the news. It comes across loud and strong that he’s talking about the day coming after the election when Badenoch won’t exist because the Tories will lose.
To ally yourself with a vile Tory because you agree with her opinion on aspects of trans rights is like saying you’re willing to be friends with a man who beats up his wife but is nice to his women friends.

pointythings · 26/06/2024 19:16

cupcaske123 · 26/06/2024 19:12

Liz Truss?

The Tories never eliminated the deficit, and the national debt (the sum of every annual shortfall) has steadily risen from 64.7% of gross domestic product (GDP) in 2010 to 96.5% currently – the highest level since the 1960s.

Don't go confusing Tories with facts, they don't like it...

Aladdinzane · 26/06/2024 19:20

Meetingofminds · 26/06/2024 19:13

Well they didn’t get us into billions of pounds worth of debt, and spent ten years paying off Labours vanity projects! Incredibly people have very short memories of those times.

Looks like exactly the same will happen again too.

They ran up the debt even more, billions more.

You really don't know much about this do you?

Meetingofminds · 26/06/2024 19:21

So once Labour have erased women entirely, silenced the nation and bankrupted the economy- we will be ready for a strong leader like Kemi to step forward.

The next four years wlll be horrendous for most of the country except for the activists and the ‘impartial’ BBC (one and the same) if they do somehow win.

Are people actually going to vote for a spectacular car crash created by total incompetents?

I have no idea but the threads will be interesting come Christmas if they do. You made your bed springs to mind, as the mass redundancies roll in over the autumn there will be plenty of buyers remorse - and we see mass capital flight. Don’t say I didn’t warn you.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 26/06/2024 19:21

pointythings · 26/06/2024 19:16

Don't go confusing Tories with facts, they don't like it...

Like Labour with biological ones..

Meetingofminds · 26/06/2024 19:22

Aladdinzane · 26/06/2024 19:20

They ran up the debt even more, billions more.

You really don't know much about this do you?

😂😂 sure. Economics not your strong point is it! Have you forgotten or playing games? Or just stupid! We nearly defaulted at least twice pal.

Aladdinzane · 26/06/2024 19:22

MalvernHillbilly · 26/06/2024 19:15

I’ve just listened to what Tennant actually said on the news. It comes across loud and strong that he’s talking about the day coming after the election when Badenoch won’t exist because the Tories will lose.
To ally yourself with a vile Tory because you agree with her opinion on aspects of trans rights is like saying you’re willing to be friends with a man who beats up his wife but is nice to his women friends.

It's because they aren't actually bothered about the rights of women and girls.

Campaigning on issues that have much more impact on women and girls would require some actual agency, some change on their behalf, but for this one, they don't need to do that. Just post hot air on MN.

They use it like Tommy Robinson uses his care for the safety of girls, to cover a darker, less appealing cause.

NeelyOHara1 · 26/06/2024 19:22

Someone I disagree with should shut up. It's the "progressive" way...

RantyRantington · 26/06/2024 19:23

He's parroting words because he is blinded by irrational fear for his child. We would all probably make stupid comments in his shoes. Possibly.

@Brefugee Unlike Tennant, I don't parade out the children in my family who say they are trans and keep putting them in the public eye. I don't stand on a stage and announce it to rooms full of adults and press. We respect their privacy as young people in our care.

I think it's appalling how he uses his child so publicly as a prop for his career. The only one causing harm to his child is him and his wife and their self centred public carry on about their 9/10 year old. How can that be acceptable?

If I carried on as he did, endlessly posting pictures of a child wearing slogan queer shirts and telling anyone who will listen - the bigger the audience the better- how that child identifies, I'm sure social services would be asking me questions. And rightly so.

Meetingofminds · 26/06/2024 19:24

It’s a very sinister movement - the underbelly of Labour.

northernerinthesouth2000 · 26/06/2024 19:24

jacksonlamb · 26/06/2024 13:36

As a (now ex) David Tennant fan I was so disappointed to hear his speech yesterday. Whilst talking about trans rights he told his audience that he wanted a world where "we wake up and Kemi Badenoch doesn't exist anymore. I don't wish ill of her, I just wish her to shut up."

(There's some devious doublespeak here: if you wish someone didn't exist, you obviously wish them ill).

But more importantly, how dare he tell women to shut up about women's rights. Yet again powerful and privileged men tell women what they are and are not allowed to say. They must shut up whilst men speak. Their views are wrong, men are right.

Anyone has the right to believe that the rights of trans people are more important than the rights of women (although I believe this is profoundly wrong). What they do not have the right to do is bully, belittle and threaten women who disagree with them; who are trying to protect their hard fought rights.

I despair.

Would you feel the same if a woman had said this - as if the answer is yes - that is a double standard.

Personally I don't have a problem with what he said. She is incredible divisive.

Women's rights are not just a women's issues they are men's issue too - men need educating here - so yes powerful men need to stand up and be counted.

Aladdinzane · 26/06/2024 19:25

Meetingofminds · 26/06/2024 19:22

😂😂 sure. Economics not your strong point is it! Have you forgotten or playing games? Or just stupid! We nearly defaulted at least twice pal.

Economics is a fairly strong point.

Go look at the national debt where it is now.

Look at where it was in 2010?

When did we nearly default under the last Labour government? Or are you going all the way back to Labour in the 70s? Because if you are, then it wasn't really about Labour overspending.

Or have you forgotten Maudling "Sorry about the mess old cock" comment, he wasn't talking about the state of the office.

whiteroseredrose · 26/06/2024 19:25

Quite frankly he needs to shut the F up.

This is not going to impact him at all. A trans man is no threat to him
at all, whereas a trans woman, born a man with tackle intact may well be a treat to a woman.

So keep it zipped Tenant.

Meetingofminds · 26/06/2024 19:26

I imagine David’s wife and children must be mortified.

Hillcrest2022 · 26/06/2024 19:28

Agree with you OP and I too am no longer a fan of his.

Glengarrybell · 26/06/2024 19:28

BrownTroutBluesAgain · 26/06/2024 18:31

They took us to war which they lied over and people died.!!!!

Id love to see the figures on how all that has affected the budget
because last time they were in Government they left the country in poverty
They have no idea how to manage anything

Money doesn’t grow on trees and when the electorate wise up they’re out and the Conservatives have to pick up the pieces and are seen as ‘the bad guys’ when they have to cost cut.

And as this is a thread about woman's rights

They have No idea about woman’s rights.

apologies for the derail away from the issue OP !

I hear you on the war thing but honestly there’s every likelihood a conservative would have made the same decision. They trusted the US intelligence and in any case it would have been extremely difficult for the UK to say no to being war buddies with the US. The US has huge sway in this country, and I’m not sure any recent leader apart from Corbyn, would have decented, they probably all voted for it if it came up in the commons.

im not sure it’s fair to say the Labour government left the country in poverty, a huge chunk of the uk economy is financial services so it was always going to be pretty badly hit, and the whole world apart from Canada (well done them) mismanaged their economy by that measure. I’m pretty sure the protections they put in in Canada was somewhat accidental rather than prescient.

when the tories cut costs in a way that every other country was doing initially - that’s fair but we never saw the benefits of that, and it became ideological pretty quickly.

In fact just before it became clear that Liz Truss’ budget was an unmitigated disaster, literally a few hours after I remember George Osborne expressing delight with it and saying something along the lines of what he wished he could have done. Not sure he’s saying that any more but it was revealing.

the tories misspent many many billions on inappropriate PPE during covid. They spent near a billion on an initiative that won Sunak the name Dr Death among members of his own party. They misspent so much, and still managed to not recover the health or the economy of the country. Plenty of countries did.

Brexit is estimated to have cost the country 5.5% growth in the economy each year. That’s an estimate 680 billion for the economy between 2016 and Jun 2024. It will possibly cost yet more, that about 10k per head of every man woman and child in the UK.

A majority of people now think Brexit was a mistake .

I agree that Labour don’t know much about women’s rights but the tories have had an insane level of sexual assault scandals in the past few years.

They also introduced the terrible 2 child benefit cap, unless a woman has a third because of rape (hurrah! Such justice). So so many reason that’s morally wrong but it’s certainly not a pro women. The 680 billion Brexit hole would cover approx 50 years of child benefit- just to give some scale to that figure.

as for management? Well I’m not his biggest fan to say the least but Starmer has taken the Labour Party from near electoral oblivion to potentially getting a landslide victory after the tories had 14 years to rig it in their favour. He’s managing something, certainly when you compare him to the shambles across the chamber.

Apologies for continuing the derail, in a long winded way, but I felt some of these had to be addressed

CHEESEY13 · 26/06/2024 19:29

Maybe he's pals with Uber Woke Daniel Radcliffe, he who bites the hand that feeds him and established his (now somewhat stalled) career. They deserve each other.

ScribblingPixie · 26/06/2024 19:29

MalvernHillbilly · 26/06/2024 19:15

I’ve just listened to what Tennant actually said on the news. It comes across loud and strong that he’s talking about the day coming after the election when Badenoch won’t exist because the Tories will lose.
To ally yourself with a vile Tory because you agree with her opinion on aspects of trans rights is like saying you’re willing to be friends with a man who beats up his wife but is nice to his women friends.

Except that she will exist when the Tories lose the election. And of course he could have said that he was looking forward to waking up on the day a Tory government no longer existed - but he didn't.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/06/2024 19:31

I’ve just listened to what Tennant actually said on the news. It comes across loud and strong that he’s talking about the day coming after the election when Badenoch won’t exist because the Tories will lose.

No he isn't Confused it's just typical dumb, misogynistic TRA rhetoric. As pp have pointed out, there is often a slightly threatening undercurrent to his "trans rights" support.

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