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David Tennant: women should "shut up"

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jacksonlamb · 26/06/2024 13:36

As a (now ex) David Tennant fan I was so disappointed to hear his speech yesterday. Whilst talking about trans rights he told his audience that he wanted a world where "we wake up and Kemi Badenoch doesn't exist anymore. I don't wish ill of her, I just wish her to shut up."

(There's some devious doublespeak here: if you wish someone didn't exist, you obviously wish them ill).

But more importantly, how dare he tell women to shut up about women's rights. Yet again powerful and privileged men tell women what they are and are not allowed to say. They must shut up whilst men speak. Their views are wrong, men are right.

Anyone has the right to believe that the rights of trans people are more important than the rights of women (although I believe this is profoundly wrong). What they do not have the right to do is bully, belittle and threaten women who disagree with them; who are trying to protect their hard fought rights.

I despair.

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Aladdinzane · 26/06/2024 17:41

HRTQueen · 26/06/2024 17:36

Many people spoke out on here and on sm and rightly so in regards to Dianne Abbott (not enough Tory's and of course they should not have accepted the money)

I can remember Priti Patel complaining about a racist cartoon of her in The Guardian, strangely hardly any discussion around this. The underhand racism towards Sunak is often ignored

Its not acceptable regardless if you are a Tory or Labour its not about Tories being racist towards Labour or visa versa its about it never being acceptable or being justified away

Many people criticised the guardian too.

What examples have you got of Labour/supporters being racist to Sunak?

TheKeatingFive · 26/06/2024 17:42

Aladdinzane · 26/06/2024 17:24

Hmmm funny that, people ARE talking about it to YOU who is interested in it.

and then when you are not there they say "my god she's obsessed."

Every single trick in the book being used here to get women to shut up.

It's quite something. Now we're ''obsessed' 🙄

Well I'm perfectly happy to be 'obsessed' with standing against men's desires to take women's spaces and services from them. I've got to wonder about anyone who's cheering this on.

VeryOldMan · 26/06/2024 17:42

Alison Pearson has a good article on the Trans debacle and how it's affecting nurses in Darlington:-

I salute the nurses who took a stand against this women-have-penises nonsense
They have shown how we have to fight, case by case, activist by activist – by playing the Left at their own persecution game

Three cheers for Bethany Hutchison, Lisa Lockey, Annice Grundy, Tracey Hooper and Joanne Bradbury. Their names are unknown as yet, but these brave nurses could easily become as significant in the annals of feminist history as the Ford Dagenham women and the Suffragettes. Supported by the Christian Legal Centre, the five nurses who work at Darlington Memorial Hospital, which comes under the control of County Durham and Darlington NHS Foundation Trust, have filed a legal action against the Trust claiming sexual harassment and indirect discrimination after having to share a changing room with a male colleague who identifies as a woman.
See more at:-
www.telegraph.co.uk/columnists/2024/06/26/nurses-trans-darlington-hospital-nhs-keir-starmer/

EasternStandard · 26/06/2024 17:43

wombat15 · 26/06/2024 17:35

I post on about one thread in every thousand.

Post or don’t no one cares. The whole moaning that others do talk about the topic is irrelevant. Mn is a site you can create to your own interest

RantyRantington · 26/06/2024 17:43

horseyhorsey17 · 26/06/2024 16:14

Not really, as I work in the media.
But yeah I am quite focused on my own (formerly Tory) constituency and what people are voting for here. Obviously I don't know what every single person in the UK thinks, nobody does, but there's loads of data available that profiles the UK and shows what's cutting through with voters.

Edited

Do you have a paper round? Handy for canvassing on the doorstep too.

Zippedeedooda · 26/06/2024 17:43

Gymrabbit · 26/06/2024 13:45

He picked on Kemi Badenoch because she fights for women’s single sex spaces, he was talking about trans people. This wasn’t about her views in general.

This is not a one off - he’s repeatedly said and done things showing his credentials as a woman hater who thinks they have no fight to say no to men in their spaces.

Well said.

HRTQueen · 26/06/2024 17:45

Aladdinzane · 26/06/2024 17:41

Many people criticised the guardian too.

What examples have you got of Labour/supporters being racist to Sunak?

They didn't on here and what did the Guardian do about her comment

why are you making it about Labour supporters being racist towards Sunak I do not know who everyone is planning to vote who dismiss the racist underhand comments towards him

Unless you are of the opinion that Labour voters are not racist

ArabellaScott · 26/06/2024 17:49

'Asked about Tennant’s comment, Starmer said:

I think in politics, as in life, it’s really important that we are able to robustly disagree with others.
Obviously, that happens a lot in the general election campaign, but we should do it with respect for everybody involved in that robust discussion.
I wouldn’t have engaged in the way that he did. I think it’s right that we have these robust discussions, but we must do it respectfully.'

Right. And how do you feel about Rosie Duffield's rape and death threats, Keir?

OvaHere · 26/06/2024 17:50

TheKeatingFive · 26/06/2024 17:42

Every single trick in the book being used here to get women to shut up.

It's quite something. Now we're ''obsessed' 🙄

Well I'm perfectly happy to be 'obsessed' with standing against men's desires to take women's spaces and services from them. I've got to wonder about anyone who's cheering this on.

74% of the 1159 people who have voted agree with the OP.

All this nobody cares is just bluster. All the polls go this way.

I'm sure someone will now say well MN is just an echo chamber but I actually think MN has a wide range of people from different backgrounds here.

It's fine to dislike Kemi because you don't agree with her politics. Giving a public speech at a high profile event and saying you wish she didn't exist crosses a line.

A line that shouldn't be crossed in light of two high profile murders of sitting MPs and the threats and abuse levelled at many others.

David is in the wrong here and it shouldn't be a partisan matter to acknowledge that.

Hazyjaneishere · 26/06/2024 17:51

It’s not all women, just this one. It not a race issue either. She didn’t speak out for Diane Abbot who got worse from the Tory donor. I think Tennant was clumsy but ultimately has a point. Badenoch and her ilk don’t speak for all women either.

Effiebreast · 26/06/2024 17:51

We're quick to complain about racism, sexism, homophobia, but it's not as bad as people make out. If we're going to be more cohesive, we have to be more relaxed about petty incidents and not find insult where none exists.

  • Kemi Badenoch.
practice what you preach maybe ?
Effiebreast · 26/06/2024 17:53

OvaHere · 26/06/2024 17:50

74% of the 1159 people who have voted agree with the OP.

All this nobody cares is just bluster. All the polls go this way.

I'm sure someone will now say well MN is just an echo chamber but I actually think MN has a wide range of people from different backgrounds here.

It's fine to dislike Kemi because you don't agree with her politics. Giving a public speech at a high profile event and saying you wish she didn't exist crosses a line.

A line that shouldn't be crossed in light of two high profile murders of sitting MPs and the threats and abuse levelled at many others.

David is in the wrong here and it shouldn't be a partisan matter to acknowledge that.

I agree but equally being gaslit by certain posters that all is fine and dandy in Tory Britain is infuriating. Can’t we acknowledge that the Tories are shit and Labour need to get their act together on this issue. This government simply doesn’t deserve another 5 years of ineptitude.

Aladdinzane · 26/06/2024 17:53

OvaHere · 26/06/2024 17:50

74% of the 1159 people who have voted agree with the OP.

All this nobody cares is just bluster. All the polls go this way.

I'm sure someone will now say well MN is just an echo chamber but I actually think MN has a wide range of people from different backgrounds here.

It's fine to dislike Kemi because you don't agree with her politics. Giving a public speech at a high profile event and saying you wish she didn't exist crosses a line.

A line that shouldn't be crossed in light of two high profile murders of sitting MPs and the threats and abuse levelled at many others.

David is in the wrong here and it shouldn't be a partisan matter to acknowledge that.

Most people using MN don't come on these threads anymore, so a poll isn't representative. They don't come on because they are tired of this issue being shoehorned into every discussion and the venom with which GC posters address others that might have a slightly differing opinion.

EasternStandard · 26/06/2024 17:57

Aladdinzane · 26/06/2024 17:53

Most people using MN don't come on these threads anymore, so a poll isn't representative. They don't come on because they are tired of this issue being shoehorned into every discussion and the venom with which GC posters address others that might have a slightly differing opinion.

Nah the venom is most certainly there from some posters below. Some really do flail around attacking posters as style of posting

But again your level of insight into everyone that is not you is very self assured. Why?

OvaHere · 26/06/2024 17:57

Aladdinzane · 26/06/2024 17:53

Most people using MN don't come on these threads anymore, so a poll isn't representative. They don't come on because they are tired of this issue being shoehorned into every discussion and the venom with which GC posters address others that might have a slightly differing opinion.

Do you work at MNHQ? Do you have evidence to back up the statement?

The poll might not tell us everything but it's more evidential than your singular claim that nobody cares.

ChurchCats · 26/06/2024 17:58

araiwa · 26/06/2024 13:42

He hasn't told me to shut up

He has if you have the same views as Kemi.

He didn't tell her to shut up or wished she didn't exist because she is a Conservative or because he doesn't like her ideas on potholes.

He told her to shut up because she believes a man cannot become a woman and that it leads to danger for women.

Any woman who has her head half screwed on will stand with her on this.

I do so, yeah, he told me to shut up too because I agree with her.

BrownTroutBluesAgain · 26/06/2024 17:58

Why do posters declare MN is obsessed with trans rights.
This shows a complete lack of appreciation of what woman’s rights is all about

Most ( not all as we do live in a Democracy ) women are concerned about their own rights to safety and life !
That doesn’t mean trans people can’t also have their own rights.
People do not want to take that away but nor should trans people take away woman's rights. Why ….again would they want to.

Keep the two separate.!
We need legislation that allows for spaces and rights for everyone. Sex and gender. None overpowering another. Total equality for all!

ScribblingPixie · 26/06/2024 17:59

Hazyjaneishere · 26/06/2024 17:51

It’s not all women, just this one. It not a race issue either. She didn’t speak out for Diane Abbot who got worse from the Tory donor. I think Tennant was clumsy but ultimately has a point. Badenoch and her ilk don’t speak for all women either.

She did speak out for Diane Abbott.

David Tennant: women should "shut up"
Aladdinzane · 26/06/2024 18:00

OvaHere · 26/06/2024 17:57

Do you work at MNHQ? Do you have evidence to back up the statement?

The poll might not tell us everything but it's more evidential than your singular claim that nobody cares.

I've seen many posts over the years which say this, how many times have you seen something like "not this again" on a thread? Loads. People have even said that they think this, on this thread.

People are REALLY turned off by the fact that its debated over and over, and with how some of the GC posters can be incredibly absolutist and aggressive towards those who have even a slightly differing opinion.

RantyRantington · 26/06/2024 18:00

Most people using MN don't come on these threads anymore, so a poll isn't representative
There's well over a thousand so far givng their opinions. That's a fair size I reckon.

Brefugee · 26/06/2024 18:00

I'm curious now. I agree with Badenoch on precisely one thing - that single-sex spaces should be preserved and that people can't change sex.

I agree with the Labour party with, i think, just about everything with the exception of single-sex spaces and that people can change sex.

I am very open about this: i voted labour (overseas postal voter, it is done and dusted) because i am not daft enough to vote for a party that matches one of my beliefs. But i won't stop campaigning for single sex spaces and pushing my MP (whoever that may be) on the topic

MisterMagnolia · 26/06/2024 18:02

But he is telling women to shut up! He may have been referring specifically to one woman, but if he's telling that woman not express their views on protecting the rights of other women, then inadvertently he is trying to silence many more women. And many women, who lack balls (no pun intended), do unfortunately then shut up, especially if the narrative is from someone in a position of power.

Loveofmine · 26/06/2024 18:03

wombat15 · 26/06/2024 17:19

You sound like a conspiracy theorist.

@wombat15 this is what is happening when women speak the truth. It’s not a conspiracy theory. So it’s no surprise other politicians are afraid to speak out.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cyxx243yr16o.amp

Labour candidate Rosie Duffield has announced she has withdrawn from hustings events as she does not feel safe.
Ms Duffield, who hopes to be re-elected in the Canterbury constituency, has previously faced death threats and multiple instances of abuse over her stance on sex and gender

An internet troll who posted "chilling" online messages threatening to kill Ms Duffield, as well as Harry Potter author JK Rowling, was sentenced in June.

https://www.breakingnews.ie/world/jk-rowling-from-beloved-childrens-author-to-being-outspoken-on-trans-issues-1608703.html

Rowling has said her views have attracted “so many death threats I could paper the house with them”.
In 2021 her address was posted online by campaigners who posed outside her home with “Trans liberation now” signs.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/06/27/gender-critical-feminist-harassment-arts-council-trans-row/

Gender-critical woman wins Arts Council England harassment claim after trans row - Employment tribunal rules Denise Fahmy faced hostile environment because of her view that people cannot change their biological sex.

https://thecritic.co.uk/the-right-to-be-gender-critical/

An Employment Tribunal yesterday held that a social worker was harassed on the basis of her protected gender critical beliefs when Social Work England and Westminster City Council subjected her to a protracted disciplinary process.
Rachel was suspended on gross misconduct charges. Two of her colleagues were also suspended for failing to report her “discriminatory posts”

The Facebook posts that were of particular concern to Social Work England included a link to a petition to the International Olympic Committee that male athletes should not compete in female sports and a link to a petition that women have the right to maintain their sex-based protections in the Equality act, including female only spaces.

https://www.personneltoday.com/hr/open-university-gender-critical-belief-tribunal-case/

Phoenix believes that biological sex is immutable, real and important, and that sex cannot be conflated with gender identity. She had been due to speak at a conference in 2019, but it was cancelled. In December 2019, the claimant was due to give a talk on the topic of trans rights, imprisonment and the criminal justice system at the University of Essex, but the talk was cancelled because students threatened to barricade the room in protest.

In June 2021, the claimant launched the Gender Critical Research Network, a research group focused on the importance of sexed bodies in different academic disciplines.
An open letter protesting against the launch of the GCRN was signed by 368 OU staff and postgraduate researchers. It called on the OU vice chancellor to withdraw support for the GCRN, affirm its position as a trans-inclusive employer and commit to supporting staff and students in a “trans-hostile external and internal environment”.
It said that “gender-critical feminism is a strand of thought and a belief that is fundamentally hostile to the rights of trans, non-binary, and genderqueer people”, and was critical of the GCRN’s link to the Savage Minds podcast episode the claimant appeared on.
Although the letter was addressed to the vice-chancellor, it was saved as a publicly accessible Google Doc. Some of the signatories included the claimant’s colleagues, who also tweeted and retweeted the letter to encourage more academics to sign it. Phoenix told the tribunal that it was “deeply humiliating, both personally and professionally, to be condemned by colleagues in this public way”.

https://amp.theguardian.com/education/2020/jan/14/sacked-silenced-academics-say-they-are-blocked-from-exploring-trans-issues

It is now so risky and frightening for people to talk critically about gender identity on campus,” she says.

An event was cancelled at Edinburgh in December because of fears the speakers would face abuse

Murray says one event that went ahead last year on sex-based rights required extensive security because of anticipated opposition. “There was a one-hour security briefing for speakers, seven security guards attending the event, a security sweep of the lecture theatre beforehand, and ID checks for all attendees,” she says.

Rosie Duffield speaking in the Commons

Labour candidate Rosie Duffield cancels hustings following abuse - BBC News

Ms Duffield has previously faced death threats and abuse over her stance on sex and gender.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cyxx243yr16o.amp

OvaHere · 26/06/2024 18:03

Effiebreast · 26/06/2024 17:53

I agree but equally being gaslit by certain posters that all is fine and dandy in Tory Britain is infuriating. Can’t we acknowledge that the Tories are shit and Labour need to get their act together on this issue. This government simply doesn’t deserve another 5 years of ineptitude.

I'm not convinced either party deserves 5 minutes. This election is Labour's to lose so it would be great if they got their act together on this issue. They've had a lot of time to prep and not used it wisely IMO.

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