David Tennant: women should "shut up"

[jacksonlamb]

As a (now ex) David Tennant fan I was so disappointed to hear his speech yesterday. Whilst talking about trans rights he told his audience that he wanted a world where "we wake up and Kemi Badenoch doesn't exist anymore. I don't wish ill of her, I just wish her to shut up."

(There's some devious doublespeak here: if you wish someone didn't exist, you obviously wish them ill).

But more importantly, how dare he tell women to shut up about women's rights. Yet again powerful and privileged men tell women what they are and are not allowed to say. They must shut up whilst men speak. Their views are wrong, men are right.

Anyone has the right to believe that the rights of trans people are more important than the rights of women (although I believe this is profoundly wrong). What they do not have the right to do is bully, belittle and threaten women who disagree with them; who are trying to protect their hard fought rights.

I despair.

Ugh, this comment.

Do you know how many of us really don't hate those with actual dysphoria?

By your logic, you could accuse me of transphobia.

Really, I'm more of a misandrist.

I was raped at 16, and sexually assaulted twice (by two men, neither of whom I actually knew).

These happened in public spaces.

Ain't no fucking way, no how, that I will accept the misogynistic abuse from the likes of David Fucking Tennant - seriously, Eccleston is superior as a Dr - and the minimisation of fears of vulnerable women and girls as ''transphobia''.

If we have to accept, on no evidence, that men's spaces are too violent for them - there is zero evidence of this being the case in the UK - then they have to listen to the flagrant violent misogyny that is well evidenced against us women and girls.

You claim to care about women and girls but have stood up for Tennant the Twat here, rather than Kemi.

Actions speaker loud than words. Its easier than ever to come out as a Terf.

Threatening? That's a bit dramatic isn't it lol. I wish a lot of people didn't exist but that does not mean I want to hurt them or kill them or remove them from this world does it?

How have we come to a point of such extremes where a man is publicly berating a woman for supporting the right for women and girls to have safe, single sex spaces in the name of ‘lgbtq rights’ without a discussion about the nuances of this debate.

I’m fully on board with women’s right to single sex spaces yet this black and white argument is getting us nowhere.

Not that I think it’s up to us woman to attempt to politely point out all the grey areas and nuances, most of us are sick of having to defend our rights.

Why is DT being such a knob? Yes I get he is defending his child’s right to be non-binary but why turn his support into this extreme anti women agenda?? Why be so divisive and hateful??

Good luck with Labour then. They love that piece of legislation and can’t even hear women talking about the problem with it.

And all statements are pretty much lies when it comes to women’s spaces.

Either people like Pitchfork are banged up forever irrespective of their original sentence OR we accept that they can be released under such conditions as the Parole Board determine.

That's a rule of law point and one which Starmer is right to endorse.

It’s hateful and divisive though.

We need a rational discussion not such hateful rhetoric.

What are her extreme and unpleasant views?

I can, if you're feeling left out?

Why didn't he give a more detailed reason why he wants KB to shut up

if its in regards to female spaces for females then no being a female she should not be keeping quiet just because a man has told her to be quiet

Nobody really cares much about this issue outside Mumsnet,

Correction. People think they don't care much about it as long as they don't really understand the issue and think it's just about a small group of intersex people and young transsexuals desiring access to hormone treatment.

As soon as it's explained to them (as I do at every reasonable opportunity) that in fact this is an issue of women's spaces, sports, vulnerable children and male predators, they suddenly start to care. A lot. And to be very much on Kemi's side of the table as opposed to David Tennants.

Well David Tennant seems quite happy to, so why can't OP?

Women have been decimated under the Tories due to years of brutal cuts. Over two million people use food banks and we have millions of kids living in absolute poverty. Kemi wants to lead a party that will continue the same way. She won't bring in some kind of female utopia.

I guess extreme and unpleasant depend where you start from.

This Croslandite lefty thinks she's extreme. My perception she's unpleasant is based on her performance on radio interviews on both BBC and Times Radio.

Like Farage she's thin skinned and aggressive and dismissive when challenged.

I would be happy to continue engaging with you when/if you engage with my arguments in good faith and with the sound debating skills which you have shown elsewhere on this thread. I'm less keen on fannying around.

@cupcaske123 I’m still waiting on you to provide factual statistics on LGBTQ+ being the most marginalised group in society. The poster you responded to has provided factual reported information to the contrary. Where are the facts to back up your view?

Oh god, all I can feel is pure dread that if Labour win this is what it’s going to be like all of the time and we will be forced back into the dark ages of not even being able to talk about it again. Its so extremist to shut down women and yet so many seem happy to vote their own rights away. This is just the start….

David Tennant spent so long acting in a fantasy series he's no longer able to separate fantasy from reality i.e. the fantasy of gender from the reality of sex. Sadly, he's become complicit in one of the biggest medical scandals of our age.

Well, Corbyn was also thin skinned and aggressive and dismissive when challenged (especially with female interviewers, interestingly) but that doesn't mean i didn't find some of his views convincing and policies appealing.

I never wished him out of existence mind. Maybe I'm missing a trick there.

I bring to your attention = the case of Jeremy Bamber.

Originally sentenced to 25 years.

But I digress.

I see your point, and could have clarified my point. Starmer was shrugging off the concerns people had specifically regarding Pitchfork.

Thankfully, Pitchfork himself wanted back into prison.

I always liked Tennant, I thought he was a good egg.

Now he’s shown himself to be just another virtue-signalling tit who is so kind that he’ll behave like an absolute cunt to anyone who he disagrees with.

Which is all very disappointing.

David Tennant can tell me to shut up whenever he likes 😋

It's just one woman he told to shut up. He was using her as an example, as I'm sure he'd have told Rosie Duffield and J.K Rowling the exact same thing, at least I'm sure he wants to. I think it's only got more traction this time around because Kemi is Nigerian, ie black. So people can say not only that he's a misogynist for having told a woman to shut up, but also racist because he told a black woman to shut up.

For the record, I never liked David Tennant. I refer to him as 'David Ten Inch' as how Billie Piper called him on the set of Dr. Who.

don't be so patronising. You think that everyone here is stupid or something?

In the context of what he was talking about, Badenoch doesn't have abhorrent views.

In the wider view? she's a tory and therefore only about further boosting the rich and priveleged. That's abhorrent.

I said some of the least privileged
https://www.stonewall.org.uk/lgbtq-facts-and-figures

...and overrepresented among heavily left-leaning people generally.

I have a lot of left-leaning friends and it's remarkable how many of them have trans-children that they parade like trophies.

I've seen Facebook posts from parents proudly announcing that their Nicholas is now Nancy.

They then bask in the congratulations from their lefty friends on their "good news" with the friends giving updates on how Phoebe (formerly Tarquin) and James (formerly Arabella) are getting on with their transitioning.

I feel sorry for the children, because I suspect at least one of the children I know is seeking the approval of their parents rather than thinking he is really a girl.

Also, where does it leave the children when they either don't want to play along with the pretence any more, or realise they are not in the wrong body after all?

I get the impression that a lot of TRAs are very unforgiving of apostates.