To think Reform aren’t going to win the bloody election

[Edenspirits73]

All I have seen all over social media is that Reform are going to win the election 🤪🙄 (probably Russian BOTS just like BREXIT)

The poll I have attached below is from Opinium who got the 2019 general election result almost exactly right with their polling methods and is one of the more recent polls. The research methods they use hold up better to scrutiny! Ipsos Mori were also pretty spot on so these are the polls I tend to pay more attention to.

Aibu to think that we aren’t in for a Brexit style shock are we?

I live in hope that the U.K. really isn’t full of reform voting racists 🤞🏻🙈

Racist, Racism, blah blah - the usual tactic of the left. Terms so overused now that they have lost any meaning.
'Dog whistle' - that's another one I see here every day. It means 'They never said it but I want to accuse them of it anyway, so I'll pretend that's what was meant.'

They're the biggest fascists going.

Reform will win the largely poorly educated vote who think that somehow "they" stopped Brexit from working.

TheTories red wall vote will collapse and Reform will get some of that, but most will swing to Labour.

Farage will win his seat and most likely defect to the Tories to contest their leadership. He won't want to spend Friday's for 5 years in Clacton listening to the people he has grifted.

@TikiTikiBoo
We should also push all the lazy bastards that don't want to work and have no reason not to, into the jobs we are continuously told we need these migrants for.

And if they're not suitable for the work?

There was a lot of discussion on Mumsnet a few years ago about fruit picking - a pretty vital, seasonal, labour intensive, surprisingly skilled job, that usually requires you to live on site. How do people do that? What do they do with their children?

Or care work - I really don't want unsuitable people forced into taking care of the vulnerable.

Jobs that require specific qualifications - we can't magic them up. We could provide support for people to retrain, but you can't just decide that a random 50 year old unemployed man is going to be a nurse tomorrow.

Things are a little more complicated than 'we have 100 vacancies, 100 unemployed, no problem then!'

Except that it's been clearly demonstrated that reform candidates have been racist, and that Farage has a long record of it.

Why are you denying it?

"'Dog whistle' - that's another one I see here every day. It means 'They never said it but I want to accuse them of it anyway, so I'll pretend that's what was meant.'"

It doesn't mean that, but then you misrepresent it as so.

Poorly made sweeping generalisations too.:)

Would be pretty funny if they did

OK, so no comment then on why anyone who wasn't racist would vote for a party with a racist leader and racist candidates. I guess there isn't much that you can say.

And yes, there is quite a lot of talk about racism these days. Probably because there is quite a lot of racism in our political discourse. I mean, I get that some on the right might like us to shut up about it and stop making a fuss, but sadly not talking about it doesn't make it go away.

It is not racist to have opinions about immigration. It is racist to express those opinions in a racist manner. It is racist to deliberately whip up fear of migrants/migration in order to score political points. And it is racist to vote for a party led by racists.

HTH

And once again 'Racist... Racism... blah blah'

I get it. You can't argue against it so you instead choose to dismiss it.

It's fine. I wasn't actually expecting an intelligent and reasoned response from Reform voters in any case. Obviously.

I agree, I want to agree. But I grew up in Scotland where in the 70's you could have written your post about Alex Salmon and the SNP. Yet look how that changed.

The Scottish Government system was designed (includes a balance of first past the post and PR) with the intention that no single party could have a majority and that there would need to be consensus decision making. That changed with the 2011 election. hopefully will change back again

There are people like Farage who are orators, who command broadcast time. I despair of our media who allow this.

Do you think calling somebody a “n*gger” is racist? I do. Nigel Farage has done that (link upthread). I think he is a racist. You think “you can’t say anything these days if you’re white”. I think we’ll have to agree to disagree.

Is there a response that will make you say "Ooh, hold on! You have a point!'?

Nope there isn't, you just want to throw slurs around in your MN echo chamber.

Well, I don't know. I can't imagine a response that would make me say, ooh hold on, you have a point. Because I can't imagine any rational argument as to why a non racist would vote for a party full of racists. But if you have a rational argument, I'm more than happy to listen.

How do you think Reform will physically deal with mass immigration and the other issues you mention?

Cut off the gravy train, hopefully.

Maybe because no other party is addressing the boats?

Maybe because they want to?

Having a different opinion to fascist lefties is not racist, and neither is expecting something to be done about mass uncontrolled migration.

What is Reform going to do regarding the boats?

What gravy train?
I'd really like you to actually explain.

I think they will get a surprising amount of seats. I’ve been out leaflet dropping for our local Reform candidate today and there were lots of people pottering around in their front gardens. I offered them a leaflet and they all took one and said they were voting Reform. Has to have been about 30 people in total. We live in a Tory stronghold, so it’s encouraging!

Also, OP, how are Reform racist? Stopping illegals isn’t racist, stopping the boats isn’t racist either (kinda for their own safety 🙄 and also how many ‘safe’ countries so they go through to get to the channel?!). Putting a limit on immigration isn’t racist. Our public services cannot cope with the current amount of people, how is adding more people (who won’t be about to contribute for a while) a good idea?

Starmer is incredibly bad on this Times Radio

How is he this clueless at this stage on trafficking

I think you underestimate the intelligence of some Reform voters, there will be a large section of well educated, ex Tory voters in the 60+ age group that would never vote for Labour, are sick of the Conservartives, and don't support the Lib dem options, looking to vote for Reform. If you read their manifesto some of it makes sense and gets rid of the 'nonsense' that surrounds policy these days and the woke brigade. The racist voters are likely to be 80+ I reckon.

What did he say?

'The boats' made up less than 5% of total inward migration last year and as asylum seekers and/or illegal migrants aren't entitled to anything from the 'gravy train', so there's no rational reason for that to be a focus of debate.

But we all know why it's a focus, because it's easier to create division by creating a scapegoat to blame the nations problems on.

How are Reform going to stop illegal immigrants?

Convinced the answer is to arrest and prosecute trafficking networks

We already try this as do other countries. However we will be the only ones selling this idea as the way to control trafficking

Aus, US, EU countries will not pretend to their electorates this is a possible solution. Actually he sounded as if he believed it which is more concerning.