To think that the majority of trans people are neurodivergent

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...and I sort of think it's a form of neurodivergence in itself.

By the way I'm trans affirmative.

I don't think I've met a trans person who I thought was neurotypical.

What do you think the “q” stands for in LGBTQ+? The word queer has been reclaimed by the community and is acceptable to use when said in a positive way.

I have done quite a bit of work on language I’m this area.

Many people find it offensive - me included. Especially so since most 'queer' people seen to be straight...

What community?
the LGBTQ+ community doesn't exist except in the mind of the TQ+.

Many LG and B people do not want to be involved with the TQ+

I neither use the word nor see it as my place to police the use of it. It seems to me to be one that is debated within the homosexual community and I am quite happy to leave them to have the debate.

As the ladies in this letter point out, "gay" has been a pejorative term in the past too

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jan/15/were-here-were-queer-get-used-to-it

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Pre 2015 trans kids, mostly natal male and mostly very feminine presenting gay men in adulthood if unable to transition, no I don't think they are likely to be autistic. Like Blair White.

Natal female trans teens who don't express gender dysphoria in childhood, almost all autistic, or abuse history.

I work in autism and see the pattern. I don't think autistic people are inherently trans. None of them were, before about 2015. I think autistic people are looking for a reason why they don't fit in. They are more likely to be gender non conforming. I don't think being a non conforming female means you are actually male, or that you will find happiness there.
I find it really sad that I know quite a few amazing autistic women in STEM who could stand out as brilliant unconventional women succeeding in male- dominated study areas, who instead become ordinary "men".

I don't hate any body. I just find it very distressing.

TeenLifeMum

when you did your ‘research’ did you happen to ask any over 50s homosexual males or just blue haired narcissists?
All of the older gay males I know find the word horrifying but I suppose those men (many the trailblazers of the gay equality movement) aren’t important in your brave new world.

I'm fairly sure that the stats agree that ND people are massively over represented within the trans numbers, particularly teen girls who are autistic and and struggle with not fitting in with gender norms and 'being trans' makes it make sense. I'm so glad I'm not a teen now.

I'm afraid someone can't just decide that a homophobic term is now no longer homophobic and expect all gay people to merrily go along with it.

@Diverze that's really interesting. What do you think led to that shift around 2015 onwards?

I think that it may play a part on some cases and should be explored. However, this would need to be based upon scientific research rather than empirical evidence. My own individual opinion is therefore not worth a huge amount.

Adhd and autism are not mental illnesses.

Our workplace lgbtq+ network is very active and includes people who are lgb and my own daughter feels part of this community as a lesbian, but I’m aware of the complexities. Pride marches suggest there are those that support this and my point about the word queer not being offensive now in 2024 still stands.

Who made you the arbitrar on this issue

I'd guess the rise of social media.

Hello, I'm an actual homosexual. There is no such thing as an LGBTQ community, and I do not find the word 'queer' to be acceptable, no matter how it is used. Many gay people agree with me, many disagree- more proof that there is no such thing as a homogenous LGBTQ community.

Most of the gay people I know are over 40 and not one of them considers queer to be an acceptable word

I had no idea about this - the word queer.
I guess it all feels very patronising having everyone lumped together under LGBTQ

Yes, I was thinking specifically Tik Tok.

I could have wrote this myself, if it was an option in my day I would have thousand percent became a boy.

I now have four children and thank the lord I wasn't born in our current era.

My son and my dad and my brother are all ND I'm presuming the same of myself.

It's scary world we live in where that's now the first option.
I could have been sitting here with a penis now instead of with my four wonderful children.

How many would be active in the "network" if they had an option of just an LGB network?
We will never know because the LGB network has been hijacked by the TQ+.
As for pride there are many LGB people that won't go because they don't support it or because they are scared of some of the "community".

From pink news:
Current society largely accepts ‘queer’ as a general and umbrella term for the LGBTQ+ community, usually in a positive light.
The Cambridge and Merriam-Websterdictionaries even recognise it as so in their definitions of the word, whilst still acknowledging people can find it offensive.

What 40 year olds need to understand is that the slur used against teens in school when being bullied is not “queer”, it’s “gay”. This is the reason many younger people feel happier with queer than gay.

I know one trans person and there is definitely ND present, and mental health issues

Yawn.

I am autistic, I have known I am autistic a very long time now, and the reason I have a problem with gender identity ideology is because I see young autistic women being persuaded the secret to their unhappiness is hormonal and surgical body modification, including hysterectomies.

You can call me transphobic all you like, you're not going to make me believe that young women with disabilities being encouraged to sterilise themselves is a good thing.

While we're on this subject, I'm not sure whether it's more maddening or amusing that trans activists like to squeal "you don't want trans people to exist", because if I was even five years younger, I know I would have identified as trans. That would have put me on the pathway to a mastectomy, cross-sex hormones (damaging my fertility) and a hysterectomy, which would then have led directly to my children not existing.

I was raised by two Mum's through the 80's so have a history with appropriate language and the changing acceptance of words.

My son is ND (ASD and SPD dx), Trans (with a Gender Dysphoria dx) and a history of trauma (PTSD dx).

He and all of his friends use Queer freely. Freaked me out at first as I was raised that Queer was a derogatory term.

I'm studying at the most liberal PC Uni, I mean its so PC you are not allowed to use the word "straight" to describe your sexuality (because of the connotations to the history of LGBTQ+ people being described as "bent" as a slur). My lecturer explained that the word Queer has now come to represent anyone who is not hetro-normative. IE LQBTQ+, Enby, ACE etc etc. And that the word is being reclaimed by the Queer community much the same way that the pink triangle was reclaimed by Lesbians and Gay Men in the 80's.

The "Q" in LGBTQ+ used to mean Questioning.

I've just written my thesis based around Trans Youth and the studies do show that ND AFAB's are much more likely to identify as Trans (FtM) than any other group.