To think that the majority of trans people are neurodivergent

[SlipperSliders]

...and I sort of think it's a form of neurodivergence in itself.

By the way I'm trans affirmative.

I don't think I've met a trans person who I thought was neurotypical.

Apparently (I'm quoting an article I read, it's not what I myself have decided) the overwhelming majority of gay people are Autistic or undiagnosed Autistic

But they seem to call themselves queer now which is what I meant. I don't understand why. Also its now LBTQ etc is the Q not standing for Queer?

NHS England’s CASS review did show that ND people, especially girls are over represented at GIDS as are children who have suffered trauma or abusive backgrounds. I think I remember reading somewhere, possibly in Hannah Barnes’ book about GIdS, that there was a high number of referrals from Blackpool, one of the most deprived areas in England with the highest number of children in care.

Depending on who you ask
Q = Questioning

I am so confused, a lot of people use queer in a positive sense now don't they? To describe themselves usually?

Yes, the Cass review found people with ASD were massively over represented in the population.

Hannah Barnes found that experience of sexual abuse was massively over represented in girls being referred to GIDS.

being same sex attracted is also over represented among girls being referred.

Hannah Barnes’s book looked into the stats on the Tavistock GIDS patients. Worth a read as this is something you’re interested in.

Ah x posted with Hermione.

There seem to be two very different groups.
L and G that say that Queer is a slur
and the Q+ that call themselves Queer.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queer

@HermioneWeasley it seems to be a contested word but one that many use in a positive sense

@CassandraWebb

some black people gave reclaimed the N word. Doesn’t make it not a slur. And it has been hugely appropriated by people who are straight - people using it to describe themselves because they are slightly gender non conforming, or have a fetish or whatever.

Trans people have gender dysphoria.

The current trend is wildly unhelpful in supporting people with this condition.

I'm curious to know who you think hates trans people.

Genuinely though - I really don't want to Google this if it could be offensive - what does Queer actually mean (for the ones who use it positively) that couldn't be phrased by saying they're lesbian, gay, bisexual etc?

My son is 12, Autistic, ADHD but quite anti trans. I'm an annoying liberal so I don't quite get that. We debate regularly on the subject and my view is always live and let live, why so passionate in your argument against it? He did bring me more towards a different perspective tbh when we discussed issues relating to enforcing pronouns, public spaces, sports ( but we won't go there!)

He feels it's a mental health problem. Many feel this. I believe for many it may be, but I believe there's the possibility we just don't know enough facts on the subject yet.

I don't really know the answer and won't propose to be an expert on it either. I do enjoy discussing theories. I never feel hatred on this. That I don't understand but I see it is rife.

I've definitely read arguments associating people who are abused in childhood with becoming trans. Or am I just thinking of the Buffalo Bill character! 🤦‍♀️🤷‍♀️

Apologies for using ASD, I was trying to specify being autistic separately from other forms of neurodiversity and used the wrong term.

I think the vast majority of teenagers being targeted by the TRA programming are vulnerable in some way, whether it be neurodiversity, previous abuse, social isolation, victims of homophobia etc. I want those children to be supported and protected and safeguarded. I want them to receive appropriate psychological and social support. I do not want them to be stampeded into a pathway of spiralling overmedicalisation and ultimately sterilisation and mutilation. Transition should only be for the tiny minority who actually have enduring gender dysphoria, not for the many children who feel alienated and lost, and think the trans umbrella is the yellow brick road to social approval and fitting in.

I don’t know any gay men of my generation who would ever call themselves the Q word. Y’know, because they actually lived through “queer bashing” and have the literal scars to prove it

Having gender dysphoria is no longer required to be trans.
Older transsexuals have been pointing this out for some time.
FYI, transsexual is apparently a slur to some trans people.

What's wrong with saying ASD?! I thought ASD and autism were the same thing?! I'm so confused these days.

Both of my children are neurodivergent, struggled to fit in at school and are now having gender identity issues. Both children in one family born into the wrong body, what are the chances?!
they both only started having these issues during lockdown and puberty, like so many of their friends. Dd has gone from princess, makeup, dressing up loving feminine girl to anime, makeup, dressing up loving girl who thinks she’s always felt like a boy despite all the evidence to the contrary. Ds still loves Star Wars and fighting and zombie games but wearing a short pleated skirt, cat ears and over the knee socks instead of jeans. It’s almost like there’s something else at play here and vulnerable nd children are more susceptible to it.

For some of the people who call themselves "queer" it just means they're "spicy" straight. Probably kissed a person of the same sex at a bar while a bit tipsy and thought they wouldn't mind doing that again.

But trans is just short for transexual no?! If its offensive why didn't they pick a new name. I don't get all this, no wonder people are accidently offending people these days it's a mine field.

In this case the poster is describing themselves as queer, it's their identity. It's not a usage I would think reportable, it's very widely used

@PermanentTemporary I'm sure ASD is the term they often use in the medical profession and that stupid mental disorders manual! I didn't realise either until I started the journey to diagnosis for my son. We say ASCondition. I encourage him always to say I am Autistic not I have Autism but that's a whole other thread! 😆