To think that the majority of trans people are neurodivergent

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...and I sort of think it's a form of neurodivergence in itself.

By the way I'm trans affirmative.

I don't think I've met a trans person who I thought was neurotypical.

Ok no worries

I have read through the whole thread and it is probably one of the most balanced on the subject of trans people I have read on munsnet. Very little abuse, thank you.

I have an adult DC, ftm. NT although tested many times. We have ND wider family members.
My DC is quietly and gradually changing.
She no longer insists on male pronouns, but her friends call her by her chosen name. We call her by her birth name. At thirteen she hated us doing that, now it doesn't seem a big thing.
She's very clever but has SEMH. This comes under SEN. We found out about an attack at twelve two years after the event. She was a very pretty child who reached puberty early and attracted disgusting interest from men.
She hasn't liked her body and looks since then.
I have worked with and employed trans people. Both MTF. One happy the other not. Both had surgery. One regretted it.
My DD is not an activist and accepts her biological sex (she's a med student of sorts). I cannot pin down why she wants a male gender when she is not gay. What I do know is certain television shows and the Internet were her companions in covid. She is asthmatic so she was shielding. And no she doesn't support bio males in female spaces or use the term queer. She thinks it's offence.

I'm NT but during my teenage years was bullied for having a boyish body and liking to have my hair cut short.
I was a late bloomer and didn't really have much interest in boys, apart from as friends.

I know 100% that if I was a teen now I would be identifying as something other than a straight woman/teen.

But I am a straight woman, and I strongly believe that women's rights are being eroded by the trans narrative. Augentophiles, males with a sexual thrill to dress and enter women's spaces are the ones who are pushing the trans narrative.

People with actual sexual dysphoria are not getting the treatment they need to have the life they need and are put on the pile with everyone else to go through the sexual reassignment factory. Where no care is taken and massive mistakes are being made.

If you asked me to describe myself in 10 words I probably wouldn't mention I was a woman, I might say I had a child....though probably wouldn't say I'm a mother.

I dont know why, I'm 44, married (to a man) and I've always felt this way.

But I am NOT non-binary or an ENBY..... this made up batshittery.

Male/female = that's it.

The majority of girls I think feel like they would like to opt out of a lot of female issues as a teen. Also it's the stage where we go from being equal in size and strength to becoming the "weaker sex". I think that's why girls are so drawn to the idea that they can become a boy/man.

No, it’s a disgusting homophobic slur and I’ve reported that post.

Er, it’s been reclaimed, to the point it’s gone mainstream.

You could try reading the Cass report to see the high correlation of trans with other vulnerable characteristics. There is a Welsh school survey on Health which also makes clear the very high vulnerability of young people with NB identities. Children in care are also over represented amongst those identifying as trans.
We should not blind ourselves to the conclusions to be drawn from this.

Jesus. Sorry you are arguing it’s a good thing that young gays and lesbians have been homophobicly bullied into hiding their true sexuality under an umbrella that includes straight people?
And the organisation and groups that were for gay people think that’s a good thing?

Queer was invented by organizations previously set up for the human rights of gays and lesbians, who had won their big legal victories, and who needed to find a way to expand their mission so they could keep attracting money and survive. This is a story of organizational survival.

This.

I hope YOU aren't stupid enough to think that being abused doesn't affect how you think about your body.
If being abused can lead to self harm, eating disorders, and suicide attempts, it's not exactly a leap to think it can lead to wanting your body to be different or hating your body how it is.

By definition you cannot reclaim something that was never yours in the first place, so young people cannot reclaim the word queer to mean something other than the derogatory term it was used as in the 1970s and 80s and I can well understand that anyone who was subjected to "queer bashing" would be highly offended by this. It was, however, misappropriated from a much older use meaning to feel unwell or strange so who knows what it will mean in another 100 years or so.

I also understand how certain groups of people use derogatory terms within their own peer groups, eg. queer, the N word etc - reference the group NWA. It is very much like when you slag-off one of your family, but if someone else does it you at least challenge them verbally if not physically. It is okay within the specific social circle but not by outsiders.

It is always best to be respectful of other people who you don't know well, but this goes both ways and someone who doesn't know or understand a specific situation and may inadvertently say the wrong thing should not be attacked for this. Someone on this thread had a go at someone else when they asked a question saying they couldn't be bothered with a reply and that they expect they know the answer anyway. If people in certain situations and circumstances can't be bothered to help others to understand then that situation isn't going to improve. We can only learn by other people sharing their knowledge.

I don't use the term as I grew up with it being derogatory. But in recent years, I have heard it used more frequently by gay men and women and people with nonbinary partners, for example Chrishell Stause uses that term for her relationship.

My gay friend has worked as a teacher for 30+yrs and recently commented on Gen Z's lack of awareness that the word was a slur. He thought it was a good thing and a reflection of the positive shift in society.

I still don't feel comfortable using it, it doesn't come naturally to me but I thought it was nice that he went from hearing that word being used to abuse and degrade others to have now lost that power for another generation.