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To think that the majority of trans people are neurodivergent

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SlipperSliders · 22/06/2024 19:53

...and I sort of think it's a form of neurodivergence in itself.

By the way I'm trans affirmative.

I don't think I've met a trans person who I thought was neurotypical.

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FrippEnos · 22/06/2024 20:32

Hinkuy · 22/06/2024 20:28

Genuinely though - I really don't want to Google this if it could be offensive - what does Queer actually mean (for the ones who use it positively) that couldn't be phrased by saying they're lesbian, gay, bisexual etc?

As far as I can see queer now seems to be pushed to mean someone that has a gender identity.

Hinkuy · 22/06/2024 20:32

uhOhOP · 22/06/2024 20:31

For some of the people who call themselves "queer" it just means they're "spicy" straight. Probably kissed a person of the same sex at a bar while a bit tipsy and thought they wouldn't mind doing that again.

What?!?? That's insane. And awful. I'd liken it to the N word - why would you ever say that. And LGBQ people just accept this that people will come up to them and say hey I'm queer and that's ok?!

Hinkuy · 22/06/2024 20:32

FrippEnos · 22/06/2024 20:32

As far as I can see queer now seems to be pushed to mean someone that has a gender identity.

Eh?! What does that mean. Clearly need to update my mindset here.

FrippEnos · 22/06/2024 20:32

Hinkuy · 22/06/2024 20:31

But trans is just short for transexual no?! If its offensive why didn't they pick a new name. I don't get all this, no wonder people are accidently offending people these days it's a mine field.

Because they have chosen a new name they are trans gender.

FrippEnos · 22/06/2024 20:33

Hinkuy · 22/06/2024 20:32

Eh?! What does that mean. Clearly need to update my mindset here.

Like so many terms that the trans lobby use it seems to be almost undefinable.

HermioneWeasley · 22/06/2024 20:33

CassandraWebb · 22/06/2024 20:31

In this case the poster is describing themselves as queer, it's their identity. It's not a usage I would think reportable, it's very widely used

And if they’re not a gay man it’s offensive appropriation in the same way a white person calling themselves the N word because like enjoy jerk chicken would be

MadameMassiveSalad · 22/06/2024 20:34

wlv12 · 22/06/2024 20:11

Very small group here but out of 4 nieces/nephews I have who are ND, 3 are/have been trans.

A huge amount of friends with ND young adult children also identify as trans. Doesn’t mean they all are but there seems a higher percentage.

These guys are not the reason people are getting concerned!

Hinkuy · 22/06/2024 20:34

FrippEnos · 22/06/2024 20:32

Because they have chosen a new name they are trans gender.

I genuinely thought transgender and transsexual was all the same thing. I say trans sexual, I didn't realise this was offensive.

CassandraWebb · 22/06/2024 20:34

uhOhOP · 22/06/2024 20:31

For some of the people who call themselves "queer" it just means they're "spicy" straight. Probably kissed a person of the same sex at a bar while a bit tipsy and thought they wouldn't mind doing that again.

Do you have to be a specified amount of not straight before you are allowed to identify as not straight? Is it a certain number of same sex people you have to kiss before you qualify?

Am confused, I am quite happy to let people label their sexuality if it helps them

CassandraWebb · 22/06/2024 20:34

HermioneWeasley · 22/06/2024 20:33

And if they’re not a gay man it’s offensive appropriation in the same way a white person calling themselves the N word because like enjoy jerk chicken would be

And how can you know whether they are or not on here?

Hinkuy · 22/06/2024 20:35

FrippEnos · 22/06/2024 20:33

Like so many terms that the trans lobby use it seems to be almost undefinable.

No but what you said about the identity thing - what does that actually mean? I don't get it.

MadameMassiveSalad · 22/06/2024 20:35

SlipperSliders · 22/06/2024 20:14

@glittercunt

But it's important that people don't equate someone being ND as meaning their sexuality or gender identity is therefore somehow invalid.

Yes I whole heartedly agree.

I just wonder if some transphobic people may hate less if they realised that they are being hateful to a group of marginalised ND people.

Edited

Being gender critical is not about hate.

FrippEnos · 22/06/2024 20:35

Hinkuy · 22/06/2024 20:34

I genuinely thought transgender and transsexual was all the same thing. I say trans sexual, I didn't realise this was offensive.

As far as I can tell
transsexuals are those that had to prove that they had body dysphoria.
Transgender are those that feel like one of the many other genders.

Livinginaclock · 22/06/2024 20:35

HermioneWeasley · 22/06/2024 20:29

I don’t know any gay men of my generation who would ever call themselves the Q word. Y’know, because they actually lived through “queer bashing” and have the literal scars to prove it

Same, I don't use it for that reason.

Demonhunter · 22/06/2024 20:36

Younger ones probably, middle aged men, no.

MadameMassiveSalad · 22/06/2024 20:36

Hinkuy · 22/06/2024 20:16

Just picking up on some of the language in this thread. Is queer now an acceptable term? In the 90s this was an all out insult. Need to update my mindset clearly so please educate me!

Have you bee under a rock for 30yrs?

Some older LGB folks find "queer" offensive still

Willmafrockfit · 22/06/2024 20:36

it is very common yes

CassandraWebb · 22/06/2024 20:36

Livinginaclock · 22/06/2024 20:35

Same, I don't use it for that reason.

I don't use it either. But it is clearly being coopted in a different way now .

FrippEnos · 22/06/2024 20:38

Hinkuy · 22/06/2024 20:35

No but what you said about the identity thing - what does that actually mean? I don't get it.

It mean that they "feel" like an other gender.

That appears to be the definition.

HermioneWeasley · 22/06/2024 20:38

@CassandraWebb odds are that any poster on this forum is unlikely to be a gay man. Particularly a gay man who was out before the 2000s when the world was a much more dangerous and hostile place for them.

and people living ostensibly straight lives do not get to use that term. I don’t understand what’s hard for you to grasp about that. Do you tell black people it’s ok for white peoples to call themselves the N word if it helps them in some vague, undefined way and they should just suck it up?

Pantaloons99 · 22/06/2024 20:38

@Hinkuy it's because of the word disorder. ASC is being more commonly adopted - condition.

It isn't your fault or anyone's because ASD is the term used on that MERK mental health manual or whatever it's called so that's the official term. I talk with my son who is Autistic and highly intelligent, perceptive and then realised myself, how awful to call this person disordered, because he's highly more capable and intelligent than alot of people out there. We also now just say Autism or ASC if needed. So that's the history on that one 🤷‍♀️😄

Edit - my son himself pointed out how highly offensive it is to him

IdgieThreadgoodeIsMyHeroine · 22/06/2024 20:40

Hinkuy · 22/06/2024 20:16

Just picking up on some of the language in this thread. Is queer now an acceptable term? In the 90s this was an all out insult. Need to update my mindset clearly so please educate me!

It's very controversial- some gay people are fine with it, others are not. Personally, I'm not okay with it.

Teacherprebaby · 22/06/2024 20:42

No it's not! Not anymore!

Definition: denoting or relating to a sexual or gender identity that does not correspond to established ideas of sexuality and gender, especially heterosexual norms.

It doesn't mean what it did in the 90s. It's also about the way it's used. Educate yourself before jumping to reporting 🙄

Tristar15 · 22/06/2024 20:44

Trans woman at my workplace is ND.

TheKeatingFive · 22/06/2024 20:45

Teacherprebaby · 22/06/2024 20:42

No it's not! Not anymore!

Definition: denoting or relating to a sexual or gender identity that does not correspond to established ideas of sexuality and gender, especially heterosexual norms.

It doesn't mean what it did in the 90s. It's also about the way it's used. Educate yourself before jumping to reporting 🙄

You don't speak for everyone. Many gay people I know find it very offensive and are horrified by attempts to normalise it.

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