To think that the majority of trans people are neurodivergent

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...and I sort of think it's a form of neurodivergence in itself.

By the way I'm trans affirmative.

I don't think I've met a trans person who I thought was neurotypical.

Yes I do agree with you. I think your point is spot on. I try not police' other people on it. Based on my interactions with Autistic people, many see it as an identity rather than a defect hence ' I am Autistic '.

Every Autistic person is different like every NT person. The terminology makes this all complicated as we are inclined to lump everyone together.
There's also the fact there are often many co morbidities with Autism that makes it difficult to use one type of terminology. Sometimes it's difficult to separate what is Autism and what is a co morbid?

I disagree. It's been reappropriated in main stream gay culture since the mid nineties. Queer as folk. Queer Nation. I understand that it's not everyone's favourite word but it's widely used by gay men and women across generations.

The word queer was definitely not used positively in the 80s. It was introduced to lgbtq initially in late 2000s to mean questioning- so as to give it a soft landing. Then it morphed into queer. It’s usually accompanied by patronising explanations of ohhh it’s ok we’ve reclaimed it now.

it’s offensive to the very people who made it possible for the word to be “reclaimed “ in the first place. It is ignorant of our history. Younger generations might think it’s cool to redefine the history of lgb people, but to me it just tells me that they are homophobic.

It's like the bastard child of consumerism and magical thinking isn't it? Whatever happened to a stiff upper lip/accepting God's will?

Thank you for correcting me on the terminology and I apologise for causing offence.

I'm in agreement I felt the previous poster was conflating DSD and trans identity through a sort of misunderstanding they have picked up about fetal sex development - whereas there is no evidence that trans identifying individuals are biologically distinct (in the way that people with DSD very clearly do have biological differences). That's a ramble I hope it makes sense!

Exactly. When Lefty Utopianism meets Big Pharma.

God help us all

are these stats from the same group that gave us the disproved suicide stats?

I don't think any stats have been shared. Not even dodgy ones.

dysphoria isn't confusion. but yes you can now be trans without being confused about gender.

Having thought about this, my biggest concern from this thread is that the trans movement having seemingly targeted young ND people (cass report) is that they are now going to use it for more protection.

They have already gone through
Be kind
No debate
Suicide stats
A massive umbrella including huge groups of people
that they are the most abused and attacked group (physically and mentally)
Some where in there, there are comparisons to various minority groups and how they have suffered.
and now a move on to ND.

So what exactly is gender dysphoria and how can you be trans without it?

You would have to ask the trans lobby, as my point is that they have moved away from needing a diagnoses of gender dysphoria and can now just identify as whatever gender that "feel" like.

This seems to be, in part, what self ID was about.

I agree, I use ASD because disorder in medicine means a condition that affects how the body or brain works - and I don't see that as offensive. Other people take it on face value and don't like it. DS prefers to say he has autism as he doesn't feel it defines him, others prefer to say they are autistic as they feel it is central to them.

I think a big part of the ND/trans teenage girls is the struggle kids with ASD have with change. The changes in a teen girl at puberty are pretty full on, they can get a lot of negative attention and it's easy to understand why they may hate their body and see being a boy as the much easier option IMO. Combine that with the social difficulties and I think it's easy to fall down the rabbit hole of thinking your trans and having a group of other people who relate to that confirming it and encouraging you on.

. I am not sexually attracted to transwomen at all, even though they are biologically male. It's not obvious to me that this is just some massive coincidence, it seems rather to be a facet of sexuality.

I'm not attracted to transwomen either but it has nothing to do with their desired gender or any facet of my sexuality, it's just that I am attracted to men who are at ease with themselves and comfortable in their own skin.

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I really hate being called ‘the autistics’. I find it really offensive. Please stop doing it and just say autistic people or people with autism. We’re not a fucking music band. It feels dehumanising to be referred to as an ‘autistic’. And it certainly isn’t giving the respect that you’re claiming others should be giving. Do you refer to those with other conditions / disorders in a similar fashion?

Yes but you probably aren't attracted to (eg) fat men or short men either assuming you are androphile. Most of us have quite a narrow band of people who interest us sexually and trans women would not be it.

All of the children I've came across through work who have later transitioned are all neurodiverse.

I actually think it's something pretty important that should be explored, but I know a lot of people are not in favour of that.

Hey, sorry, was afk a long time. I've spoken about this all before under previous username(s), I've been here years. I don't have the energy right now though. Autism and adhd though.

Did I say that? I don't recall saying that at all. Neither did I state the opposite. Please don't attempt to suggest I say or mean otherwise to what I have said.

I'm sure you can Google (I'm sure you actually know what it stands for, you just want to try and tie others up in knots - it's not worth my energy, thanks).

And I can't say. I'm not you, I'm not in your head. How you personally feel or don't feel, identify or interpret something, that's up to you, I think you'll agree that anyone trying to tell someone to think or feel a certain way is complex at best? My concern is my own body and life, and those of my children.

Not what I said at all, no I'm not a homosexual, I'm attracted to the inside not the outside primarily - gender identity or sex doesn't determine attraction for me. Feel free to find offense in that however you wish, you do you, I do me, etc.

Some seem determined that it is. And they can choose not to identify as queer for themselves. However they have no right to dictate or belittle other people's identities.

Aspergers IS Autism.

*trans people are generally not welcomed so why would they do it to fit it. "??

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It certainly was a trend like bros or spice girls and it took hold in young people.

I think it's sad that a normal homosexual community needs to align themselves with people who are either young and confused, mentally ill or genetically diverse - none of whom have any similarities.