Starmer, JKR, what's most important to most women?

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In my more than 60 years, decades of being a single working parent, many experiences of being on the bones of my arse, Labour Party policies have made huge beneficial differences in my day-to-day life. Worrying if there is a man in the next toilet or feeling uncomfortable with a trans woman has literally never been on my radar. If I'm making a decision about voting for the politician who can bring about the greatest good for the greatest number, it's Starmer every time. I wish JKR would just pipe down.

The women have been told to shut up and defer to men's rights, and we are expected to comply. Same shit, different century.

We all know the difference between a male person and a female person.
Stop being silly. Come off it.

'calm down dear'

'pipe down'

Tbh to an extent it's not just about the issue of women's rights at this point.

It's how it's been handled. And most notable the whole 'shut up talking about inconvenient things we don't want to hear about because' (insert the coercive threat of alternatives here) that has gone with it.

It's tone deaf and antidemocratic.

It's politics by intimidation.

Please, please tell us how to distinguish between these bad men in dresses and inn-o-cent transwomen.

No-one ever does and it would be terribly helpful.

Even the former Scottish First Minister wouldn't tell us how he acquired his "at it" radar.

So you agree the issue is violent men. Not trans women.

Because they're obviously men?! Is that a trick question?

There is overlap. Transwomen retain male pattern offending (unsurprisingly as they're MEN!).

Yabu to say JKR should pipe down. As long as it’s peaceful everyone should be able to voice their opinion. It is shared by a lot of people.

The trans issue is not foremost in my mind when I am voting though. In a mixed sex ward or with trans woman I am in danger. However now I’m in more danger from long waits to get into hospital. I think Labour is more likely to address this and other problems things like child poverty that affect everyone but particularly women.

Can you tell the difference between a good man and a bad man? No of course not. But we are told not all men and that’s supposed to be enough.
If we actually dealt with the bad men in society, and men’s terrible attitudes and violence towards women, we’d have no need to fear a man in the park or a trans woman either. Trans women are the scapegoat for violent men that society refuses to deal with and hold accountable. The problem is men. Not women or trans women.

Transwoman are as equally violent as men.

I think it has something to do with something inexplicable but I can't say what.

Transwomen are men.

The fact that JKR and other vocal women have forced Starmer to even speak to this issue is a victory of sorts, it's been like getting blood out of a stone. I am sure he would rather she piped down, so he could get on with more important (men's) business while ignoring women's justified concerns at the consequences of his wishy-washy be kind (to TW) approach.

The attempt to paint women voicing concerns about giving access to men (often with fully intact male bodies) that identify as women to vulnerable women in prisons, rape centres, and intimate care as bigots who should pipe down is one of the aspects of his position that I find most hard to forgive tbh.

For sure there should be a conversation about how to support vulnerable men identifying as women, but it doesn't start by telling women to shut up.

No, we as a society cannot tell the difference between a good man and a bad man- and that is why - historically- we have had protected spaces for women and girls.

But you know this. EVERYONE knows this in their heart. How do you actually live with the cognitive dissonance? it must be quite tiring, surely?

Agreed. They are men, not women.

Oh come on now! So now we should let all men into women's spaces because NAMALT?

Some men are bad and some of those men are transwomen, and some of those men are pretending to be transwomen, and that's why it's safer for women to maintain single sex spaces.

😂 they’re not obviously men though. Are you really that silly. You’ve probably come across a trans women in your life and never even known it. Which is the whole point. Trans women aren’t beardy men in dresses they are women.

I've got 10 black Rottweilers in a room

1 of them is vicious and will rip your throat out soon as look at you.

You're welcome to go in and play with the dogs.

Are you going in?

I agree, this just really isn't the biggest electoral issue and I am tired of it being seen as more important than things like the environment and child poverty.

I think we are past the worst of the silliness now anyway and some common sense about biology is back in the room

“We are told not all men and that’s supposed to be good enough”

What are you talking about here?

There are enough men who’s a risk to women that we exclude them from women’s spaces.

And this is not just about harm and risk. Women are entitled to privacy and dignity and fairness (in sport etc). Women only stuff is for women, not men purporting to be women.

So, you voted for whom made your life more comfortable, surely others are perfectly entitled to do the same?

You dont get to insist people dont express their views just because they go against what you believe. By that rationale I could tell you to pipe down then couldn't I? I am not btw as I like hearing different views but the principle is still the same

This is one of those myths that really make me laugh.

So you think laws should be based on passing privilege? Bit bigoted.

What about transwomen who don't pass?

WTF? JKR pipe down? No! KS interviewed on the news, his usual wet drip bland nothingness. Makes me so mad, KS so clever, so much potential, wasted. He needs to grow a pair, speak up and put things in place, properly.

No we shouldn’t “let all men into women’s spaces” we should fix the problem of men’s violence against women so there is less need for safe spaces at all. But that’s too hard. It’s much easier to reject a vulnerable group so the men can go on being toxic af.