Starmer, JKR, what's most important to most women?

[PupInAPram]

In my more than 60 years, decades of being a single working parent, many experiences of being on the bones of my arse, Labour Party policies have made huge beneficial differences in my day-to-day life. Worrying if there is a man in the next toilet or feeling uncomfortable with a trans woman has literally never been on my radar. If I'm making a decision about voting for the politician who can bring about the greatest good for the greatest number, it's Starmer every time. I wish JKR would just pipe down.

Whatever your views on what JK is saying, can’t get my head around your op saying she should ‘pipe down’. Seriously dreadful misogyny. Have you said that about any men who have expressed views you don’t agree with?

Define "trans woman'.

Tell us how a transwoman is different from a man in a dress.

@PupInAPram We are also concerned about those things, and no political party has the right to hold our rights to ransom to fix them.

YABVU!

It’s not just about women’s restrooms!

It’s about women being cancelled!

I hope JKR keeps shouting louder and louder until this nonsense stops!

We don’t want men to be able to compete in our sports, don’t want them in our changing rooms, hospital wards etc etc we don’t want to be classed as ‘ovary owners’ in literature because the word ‘woman’ might offend the minority!

It’s so much deeper than your trivial sounding thread.

Wonder why that is?? It’s because they are women. Gosh. Sometimes I am amazed at how incredibly heartless people can be. But I know it comes from a place of fear and it’s irrational.

So is there a secret hand signal we can learn that differentiates between the violent man in a dress and an opportunist who wants to be a violent man in a dress and a man in a dress?

They are all men, right?

And they should not be in women's rape crisis centres; women's toilets; women's jails, providing intimate care for women and girls in health settings?

And KS thinks that biology does not matter, and David Lammy thinks that these people can grow a cervix.

Fucking joke.

I read she is considering voting for an independent who is standing in her constituency.

And you know that how? How do you filter 'genuine' transwomen and 'opportunistic violent men pretending to be transwomen' when we're meant to accept without question everyone who says they're 'trans'?

I'm not voting for a party where the main leader pretends he doesn't know what a woman is.
It's just so absurd, to pretend that you really don't know the difference between men and women and yet expect people to vote you in to lead the country. Crazy.

I’m very glad JKR is not piping down on this isssue. I’ve read her essay in today’s Times, (but have been forwarded it by 3 friends too).

This is one of the reasons Labour wont be getting my vote.

Bulimia has never blighted.my.life or the life of those around me so I don't see why it should be a concern of the NHS or any charities.

Healthcare for women is already dire it sure as hell will get worse with the ideologically driven mangling of language in healthcare which is being done purely to assuage men's feelings.

Mixed sex wards in the NHS are an abomination. The NHS capture by this ideology that insists those women who object to TW (males) on women's wards, or TW (male) nurses expecting to do their intimate care should be shamed and denied treatment is reprehensible.

If you don't believe how far the ideological capture of the NHS has run read Annexe B or search for any of the many incidents relating to their prioritisation of male wants over female needs.

Maybe men could get together and raise funds for such shelters and refuges. Just like women did. Radical, I know.

Oh, men don't care enough to help out their fellow males? They just want to steal women's resources?

Tough.

I agree with everything JKR says, and I am grateful to her for saying it. I feel abandoned by Labour, and I have always voted for them and was a member and activist for a long time.

Shame on Starmer for making out this is some niche extremist squabble between a coven of witches and The Poor Discriminated. The implications of losing sex-based rights long term are dire for our daughters. This affects half the population. I would vote for a Labour Party that was clear on this. As it is, I feel deeply conflicted and politically lost.

How many trans women joined your club?

You know the answer. Come on now. This is silly.

You know that gay men were called perverts and paedophiles once right?

We know the difference between a person defining their identity and a predator. We do.

OP, YABU.

JKR should not pipe down. Women I know are very angry about this issue, rightly so.

Do you remember the story of the woman raped on an NHS single sex ward and she was not believed because ‘there were no males present’. So ‘being uncomfortable around transwomen’ doesn’t really represent the full picture does it?

Transwomen are men. And men, as a sex class commit the most sexual and violent crime. You open the flood gates to men, however they present, and you open the gates to all men including pervs and deviants who want to hurt, abuse and get titillation from being around vulnerable females.

It’s not petty to want single sex spaces when you’re the ones disadvantaged by biology.

Now get in the bin with your women hating and your gaslighting. Vote how you like but don’t wave away women's rights, safeties and dignities as if they’re nothing.

'pipe down', and 'Im alright Jack'.

The most vulnerable women/girls in society are grateful to JKR for shining a light on this. Prisons, refuges, hospitals, schools. Lots of them wish you'd pipe down.

A man in a dress is not a transwoman
😂🤣

What about a man in trousers and a beard who is "early in their transition".
Are they a transwoman?

How do we tell?

How many trans women joined your club?

When funding is threatened the number can be zero; it has the same effect. Or do you only care about funding when its for groups you endorse?

Fuck all the women like myself who have been sexually assaulted by violent men and who want single sex spaces then?

YABU

This! And even if they did, how would you even know?? They would be there for the same reason as all the other women - to ride bikes.

False equivalence to talk about gay men here. They weren’t campaigning to be allowed into women’s spaces.

YANBU to decide to vote for Starmer. I won't, but it's your vote and your decision about what matters most to you.

YABVVVU to want a woman who doesn't share your viewpoint to 'pipe down'.