Starmer, JKR, what's most important to most women?

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In my more than 60 years, decades of being a single working parent, many experiences of being on the bones of my arse, Labour Party policies have made huge beneficial differences in my day-to-day life. Worrying if there is a man in the next toilet or feeling uncomfortable with a trans woman has literally never been on my radar. If I'm making a decision about voting for the politician who can bring about the greatest good for the greatest number, it's Starmer every time. I wish JKR would just pipe down.

I've even seen someone on this thread describe women asking for our rights back as 'fiddling whilst Rome burns'.

That was me. Have you seen the state of this country? Nearly 8 million people on NHS waiting lists, overflowing prisons, shit in the sea and rivers, education in turmoil, 3 million children living in poverty, rape essentially decriminalised - the list is endless. And all you care about is fucking toilets.

From 2022: "Annie was incarcerated in a Scottish prison....and said 'women who are traumatised and vulnerable are having to be naked and shower with men in their spaces, and some decided not to shower at all... I didn't want to see men prance about naked in my shower area but there they were doing just that.. There is no escaping these men from morning until night' "
https://4w.pub/female-prisoners-forced-to-share-showers-with-intact-males/

I’m a gender critical feminist and I agree with you, OP! The tories do nothing for women’s no this has been a political issue for them, an opportunity to get some women votes. I am a fan of JK Rowling but don’t get why she’s doing this. Labour will improve the lives of women which the Right don’t- as there are many aspects of being a women which are not directly profitable. As for Reform et al. the comments of some of their candidates say it all.

none of these things bother JKR

If they don’t bother her, why do you think she has given hundreds of millions to protect women and children?

It's not just about toilets and you know that, but it's easier to say that isn't it?

You’re a gender critical feminist but think JKR should pipe down about women’s rights?

ok then….

sloejelly, where did I say JK should 'pipe down'?

I do understand that there are a few people who genuinely believe that men who identify as transwomen are more like women than men.

I also understand that anyone who still thinks that men who identify as women are more like women than men is ignorant or misguided. We have a lot of concrete data now.

Men who claim they are women do not behave like women.

Men who claim to be women do not pose the same threat as women.

What about all the things I listed? Don’t they matter?

I think she's doing it to get Labour to take it seriously! I'm sure she knows that the Tories etc are not going to do anything for women or the poor or vulnerable. But Labour might, and if they start to take this seriously, then there are women who would consider voting for them again.

Anyone who has already decided to vote Labour is unlikely to change their minds based on one article about one issue, surely. She doesn't have that sort of power, or people would have listened to what she said long before now. And if people do change their minds based on this, then it's because they think it's incredibly important, so much so that it's top of their agenda. It isn't top of mine, although I agree with her, but why shouldn't it be top of theirs if that's what they think? And if they are voting on a range of issues and still think Labour is best overall, great - but at least Labour will know that a lot of women are concerned, including JKR, and perhaps they'll do something about it while they're in power. Someone needs to point it out, otherwise they'll win by a landslide and assume no-one cares as a result of no-one saying anything.

Wonder why that is?? It’s because they are women.

No. They are not.

Gosh. Sometimes I am amazed at how incredibly heartless people can be.

Oh well. I save my sympathy for women and girls who need a space free from men occasionally. There's precious little of that sympathy from trans activists and virtue signalling be-kinders.

But if you do want this and we don’t have it yet why denigrate or work against women trying to make changes?”

I don’t!

I do denigrate an immensely wealthy woman who can buy her way out of pretty much every difficult situation advocating that others in significantly more difficult circumstances should not vote for the one party that can improve their lives in so many ways based on a single issue, though!

Surestart centres, anyone?

It’s commonly known as cutting off your nose to spite your face. Or do you prefer 5 more years of the same shit?

I guess my point went over your head.

Yes the country is in a state and all a huge number of politicians over the last decade seem to have cared about is pushing this cult thinking that's hugely unpopular with most of the country.

This is not the fault of women who are pissed off and objecting to it. But apparently we are to blame and not all the people who were deluded enough to think that rapists in women's prisons and men in women's sports was the next great civil rights issue of our time.

I guess my point went over your head.

It didn’t. However mine clearly whooshed over yours.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6626314/

'For transgender women, genital GCS comprises a number of procedures, including vaginoplasty (most commonly intestinal or penile inversion) with labiaplasty and/or clitoroplasty, penectomy, and orchiectomy. Transgender women report bottom surgery at rates between 5–13%'

All Starmer had to do was say what a woman was and commit to enforcing the law around single sex spaces.

If he wanted to thwart Tory attempts at a culture war it would have been easy for him to do but he couldn't do it.

Instead we got 99% of women don't have a penis and meaningless sound bites about "safe spaces" for women.

Why should women trust him on this important issue? The rights of 51% of the population are not "nice to have luxuries".

Now is the time to put pressure on the Labour Party whilst there is something at stake. 5 years ago would have been better but we were being told to shut up then too.

Sadly austerity is coming whoever wins.

Standing on the shoulders of giants, tbh.

Completely! I've already said I totally understand the desire to vote Labour, in spite of all of this. All I hope for is that we all hold them to account on this issue.

And if his crimes, and the crimes of every man who self IDs as a woman, are recorded as being committed by a woman?
And his victim has to refer to her rapist as "she" in court? And if she refuses is convicted of contempt?
Is that Ok?

This whole thread has if you think it’s about toilets. A common theme.

Of course, they do. You don't have some moral high ground because you don't care about sharing spaces with men.

Out of interest, do you tell trans people that they can't fight for their rights, or is it just women on MN that you want to shut up in order to not scare away potential Labour voters?

She's not going to advocate that people voty Tory; she's explaining why Labour has abandoned her. People aren't going to blindly follow her unless they agree that this is a massive issue for them. Everyone else is going to either agree, but vote based on a range of packages, or have their eyes opened to something they didn't know much about, and either consider it as part of their voting choices, or think it's so important that it's a make or break single-issue for them.

You can't expect people not to say anything negative about the Labour party, in case it puts people off voting for them because they might be best overall. They probably are a lot better for women than Tories, but it doesn't mean they're perfect. why shouldn't she point that out?

She is not going to be able to single-handedly convince millions of people that they should vote based on a single issue. Have you seen how hard she has worked to be taken seriously by swathes of people already?! If people don't think it's vitally, vitally, important, then they won't vote based on a single issue. And most people won't. They still deserve to know about it, and Labour still deserves to know that it's a major issue for a lot of people.

A quick google will tell you it’s somewhere between 80 and 99%.

I agree with you OP. I know lots of women IRL who feel similarly but on MN we are every much in the minority.

Look at the latest YouGov poll, people who support gender self ID are very much in a minority, MN is much more reflective of what the UK population thinks.

How are authorities supposed to tackle violence against women and girls, and sexism, if male crime, especially sexual, is being recorded as being committed by a female? How can they work with incorrect and inaccurate statistics.