Starmer, JKR, what's most important to most women?

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In my more than 60 years, decades of being a single working parent, many experiences of being on the bones of my arse, Labour Party policies have made huge beneficial differences in my day-to-day life. Worrying if there is a man in the next toilet or feeling uncomfortable with a trans woman has literally never been on my radar. If I'm making a decision about voting for the politician who can bring about the greatest good for the greatest number, it's Starmer every time. I wish JKR would just pipe down.

@SergeantDawkins

And is Lia Thomas a trans woman? Or Eddie Izzard? Because it is fucking obvious that they are male

Why is there any need for insults?

Are your arguments not good enough?

And all Starmer needs to do is be clear what a women is, how exactly he is going to protect all womens spaces, and that women arent wrong to want that.

But he just can't. Its no one elses fault that people arent going to vote labour on this one issue, but Starmer. He's the one who you should think is insane, not women.

This is very much the point I am trying to make.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42221629

'We submitted Freedom of Information requests to the Ministry of Justice.
It said that 60 of the 125 transgender inmates it counted in England and Wales were serving time for a sexual offence.
This is roughly half - but it's not the full picture.
Remember - those 125 transgender inmates only include people who have had a prison case conference. It won't include transgender people who haven't identified themselves to the prison service or who already have a gender recognition certificate.

I'm sure the female prisoners forced to shower with these men are concerned about their presence in female prisons.

I would also suggest that poster @GameOfJones is responding to, to open their eyes! There are plenty of men who aren't even trying to 'pass' as women, complete with beards!
This is probably the most famous one:

Men are just saying they are women and we are meant to accept it!!

But why shouldn't JKR fight for one issue, without denying that all these other issues exist as well? She donates to many many charities. She can't do everything.

This is one area she has chosen to call out. It doesn't mean she doesn't care about other areas, and why should she have to fight for everything herself? Others can beat the drum for better NHS care, policing, and all kinds of other things, which are indeed needed.

It doesn't mean that she's not right on this issue. And most people are likely to vote based on a whole package of things, and not one issue, unless they feel that it's more important than anything else. So you and many others can still vote based on all the other areas, without feeling that she's taking something away by not fighting for those as well. Anyone who changes their mind based on her one article must think it's incredibly important to do so, and that's their right too. So why is it such a problem for her to call out a major party on something that she and many others find unacceptable? Maybe Labour will listen and will start to realise it matters. I am grateful that she can hold them to account.

EasternStandard

You haven’t answered where you’re ok to have men”

We’re not going to agree, obviously.

FWIW though, I think there ought to be communal changing rooms in shops and pools with cubicles. I have no problem with unisex loos. Experienced them for decades overseas and never felt threatened. There ought to be 4 categories at sports events. Men, women, transmen, transwomen. I would also ditch paralympics and have one Olympics for everyone with appropriate categories. Equally, trans units in prisons and trans wards in hospitals.

Does that sound so hard?

Do you know what, OP, I wouldn't dream of telling anyone else what their priorities should be.

If your priority is free dental provision and you have a party that you think represents that issue, then vote for them! Or any other issue.

What gets me is anyone telling someone else that they are wrong for having different priorities and should 'pipe down'.

How does that work when they’re segregated? 🙄

For the record, I agree wholeheartedly with JKR, but I will still be voting Labour. I am able to be very concerned about many things simultaneously. Hell will freeze over before I vote Tory. Or indeed Reform.

If they are segregated, how did Karen White manage to sexually assault four women whilst in prison?

https://www.courthousenews.com/plans-to-accommodate-transgender-swimmers-at-a-world-cup-meet-scrapped-because-of-lack-of-entries/

'Plans for the first “open category” swimming races to accommodate transgender competitors at a World Cup this weekend have been scrapped because of a lack of entries.
World Aquatics said Tuesday it had received “no entries” for the open category events scheduled to take place at a World Cup starting Friday in Berlin.'

You're talking to women who understand the facts and the stats (and have followed all the court cases) far, far better than you do.

It is not us who has "fallen for" anything. Left wing women were talking about this WAY before the Tories picked up on it (I'm sure the Morning Star and other veteran left wing campaigners who the left have decided to abandon will be delighted to learn that they're apparently Tories). But much of what calls itself the left (mostly neoliberal, very middle class, Judith Butlerites) dropped the ball big time on this and have literally handed about the only thing the Tories would get support on to the Tories.

But please, do continue to be deluded. Then let's see where we are with this in a decade and how many more fundamental rights have been lost as the result of this ridiculous sleepwalking.

How many of the 0.1% keep their penises? Anyone know the facts?

FWIW though, I think there ought to be communal changing rooms in shops and pools with cubicles. I have no problem with unisex loos. Experienced them for decades overseas and never felt threatened. There ought to be 4 categories at sports events. Men, women, transmen, transwomen. I would also ditch paralympics and have one Olympics for everyone with appropriate categories. Equally, trans units in prisons and trans wards in hospitals.

Does that sound so hard?

No, not at all but most men who identify as women wouldn't agree. Swimming provided a trans option for swimmers, unfortunately nobody entered. The men who identify as women prefer to compete against the women as that way they can win and even the women who identify as men continue to compete with the women. Moreover, many well known men who identify as women are on record refusing to forego using female only services. They don't care if it upsets women.

... agree I should have worded it better. What I should have said is I wish she'd pipe up about child poverty, entrenched and worsening social inequality, underfunded public services. Etc etc etc.

She doesn't need to pipe up because she pays up. She may be richer than Croesus but she wasn't at the beginning and knows what it's like to need to accept charity. She forks out for children and provides a singke sex space for abusrd women, not to mention various anonymous donations, bigger than the average bear, to gendet criticals in need.

She pipes up because she has the courage of her convictions. Tough, if you don't like self made women speakung out for others.

How do you feel about the fact that five times more sexual assaults happen in unisex public spaces than sex segregated ones?

I'm guessing the women assaulted matter less to you than the wishes of the men or all the "cool women" who don't mind.

Same

Did you not read the complaints of transwomen when it was reported in the paper that they would be offered private rooms on women's wards? They found it unacceptable that they would be 'othered' like that.

I don't really like unisex loos and changing rooms either, and have felt threatened when they are deserted. They are also much less nice and less safe in the case of emergencies, with fully locked doors etc.

There's just no reason why these third or fourth spaces really need to exist most of the time either, even if trans people did accept them. The things that are divided by biological sex are divided for good reasons, and/or because of biological reasons that have resulted in discrimination for women, like maternity. Trans people's desire to access these spaces is for a different reason.

If they face discrimination from being trans, then that's something that needs to be addressed separately - mainly from men accepting that other men can present and act in all kinds of ways.

If anyone has fallen for anything it's that the Labour Party actually represent left wing politics. They're out of touch, neoliberal elites with a red rosette.

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But please, do continue to be deluded. Then let's see where we are with this in a decade and how many more fundamental rights have been lost as the result of this ridiculous sleepwalking.”

With respect, I’ve posted based on my experience over 60 years. Telling me that I’m deluded isn’t really going to get me on side, is it?

My 29 year old daughter doesn’t share your opinion either because it’s not her reality. Maybe she’s deluded, too?

Thank you for that excellent post.

How do you know what I will agree with?

I don’t want men in sports or spaces, I’m fine with four categories wherever or separate units, this ensures single sex spaces for women. I prefer women’s loos though and most do if you look at recent polling

But if you do want this and we don’t have it yet why denigrate or work against women trying to make changes?