Starmer, JKR, what's most important to most women?

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In my more than 60 years, decades of being a single working parent, many experiences of being on the bones of my arse, Labour Party policies have made huge beneficial differences in my day-to-day life. Worrying if there is a man in the next toilet or feeling uncomfortable with a trans woman has literally never been on my radar. If I'm making a decision about voting for the politician who can bring about the greatest good for the greatest number, it's Starmer every time. I wish JKR would just pipe down.

The moment you start calling "transphobia" any opinion that isn’t complete agreement with all trans activist demands, that is the moment you lose the argument.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/trans-patients-nhs-constitution-single-sex-wards-women-b1154587.html

Again, the crime rates of "trans women" (esp sexual crime) have been shown to be the SAME (of not more) as those of men who identify as men. That is what the EVIDENCE says. Which shouldn't surprise us because they're male. This is about MEN. All men. Including ones who wear dresses. And women. ALL women. Including the ones who say "I'm cool with it and I don't understand why I or my new trans friend should respect other women's boundaries".

Which takes us back to "are women allowed to have spaces that ALL males are excluded from or not?"

Why did we have to have single sex spaces in the first place, why were they fought for so hard? And why should SOME males be allowed in them on their say so (and women punished if they object), when all the stats show they have the same crime rates as other males, not women? What could possibly go wrong, and is it the males or females who are being prioritised in this situation?

Starmer is a prick

He'll need to look into Annex B and start there, then.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/4809237-annex-b

I have never felt threatened by transwomen. I can only speak for myself.

Neither have I but I've felt threaten by quite a few men one way and another and transwomen are men.

Some of you are coming across as extremely obtuse.

Most transwomen are harmless.
All transwomen are male.
The majority of traswomen have working penises.
A small number of them are rapists - much like a small number of men are rapists.

We don’t want men in women’s spaces, therefore we don’t want transwomen in women’s spaces, because they are male, and most of them are functional, and they offend at a similar rate to men.

My DH is entirely harmless, but because men commit sexual and violent offences many times more frequently than women, he, and every other man, including transwomen, must stay out of women’s spaces.

I’m sorry that this makes the nice transwomen sad, but frankly their wants do not trump those of women who need single sex spaces. You might be happy to have intimate care from a transwomen but you cannot consent for others.

Some of you are coming across as though you believe the 0.1% of trans women are on a mission to abuse women. Are you serious?

49% of the population are male , including the 0.1% who identify as women. Nobody here is accusing them all of being on mission to abuse women, but some will be. This is called safeguarding; keeping all men out to minimise the risk to women.

I've never voted Labour but had decided to give them my vote this time, partly to see if they really can change things and (rather immaturely) to sit back and say I told you so when nothing gets better over the next 5 years.

However when I think about it seriously I'm not sure I can put the cross in the box for them when I have two young daughters, I don't want people with penises in the toilets with them when they're at school or in a few years when they'll be out socialising at pubs and clubs.
Or in changing rooms with them when they're out shopping or playing sports.

For the first time ever I have no idea who to vote for.

I have been disturbed and upset by a transwoman masturbating in the ladies' toilet. But that isn't the main point.

The point is that abusers and predators will abuse the situation to access victims. Of course they will!

And it's not just safety. Women's privacy and dignity matter, too. I just don't want to share a space where I am vulnerable with a strange man, no matter how he feels about it.

If they are transwomen they have surgery to remove their penis do they not?

I'm guessing you'll not be voting Labour anyway. 🤣 Starmer is a decent, competent, hard working and honourable man.

Just for balance there.

I'm voting Social Democratic Party.

I cannot vote for Labour, Lib Dems or Greens because of their stance on women's rights but will not vote Conservative or Reform. SDP are gender critical.

No, hardly any of them do. Whatever gave you that idea?

I'm sure he identifies as a decent man.

I genuinely couldn’t give a shit.

That is my opinion.

Something changing in popular culture, doesn’t mean I have to agree with it.

And the words you mentioned still mean those things. They just have additional meanings attached to them now.

No. Most of them don't.

Very few. Penectomy is a brutal operation with serious consequences. Around 90% of 'transwomen' retain their penises.

TheKeatingFive · Today 19:04
I have never felt threatened by transwomen. I can only speak for myself.

Well quite. Spare a thought to the women way more vulnerable to this impingement on their rights than you are.”

I will. I will think about what you and other people on this thread have said, try to learn more and try to see things from your point of view. I e been here for donkeys’ and you often speak sense so clearly there’s more to look into.

Will you agree to do the same?: consider the millions in poverty, the children going to bed (or the floor) hungry, with no permanent roof over their head or trying to get through the day in pain or distress because of the incumbent government? Then consider the harm that influential people, with several roofs over their head and access to healthcare at the drop of a hat, can do with their comments. I don’t warm to Starmer, on a personal basis, but Labour is their best chance. People like JKR need to be responsible with their influence.

Maybe try using some critical thinking because people with penises are already allowed to use the same toilet

Quite.

Yeah, I'm beginning to think Starmer knows fine well who the men are and who the women are. The men are the ones to listen to and the women are the ones to ignore. Same as it ever was.

The vast majority of men who identify as transwomen have a fully functioning penis, and the vast majority of them are sexually attracted to women.

The only thing that separates a man who identifies as a transwoman from any other man is that they say that they identify as a transwoman.

Read the thread.

No about 90% retain their penis and some like to threaten women who won't validate their identity with rape using their "girl dick". Many seem very proud of their male genitalia which is completely the opposite of those who genuinely suffer with gender dysphoria.

@pleasehelpwi3 and the moment you tried to make out someone is homophobic because they posted something you disagree with is when you lost it