Starmer, JKR, what's most important to most women?

[PupInAPram]

In my more than 60 years, decades of being a single working parent, many experiences of being on the bones of my arse, Labour Party policies have made huge beneficial differences in my day-to-day life. Worrying if there is a man in the next toilet or feeling uncomfortable with a trans woman has literally never been on my radar. If I'm making a decision about voting for the politician who can bring about the greatest good for the greatest number, it's Starmer every time. I wish JKR would just pipe down.

DrNickedMaCorpus · Today 19:13
PupInAPram · Today 19:12

I'm guessing you'll not be voting Labour anyway. 🤣 Starmer is a decent, competent, hard working and honourable man.

Just for balance there.

I'm sure he identifies as a decent man”

Ooh, get you with your witty repartee! Do you seriously consider Sunak or Farage “decent” men who give a flying fuck for the rights of women?

No you’re right they didn’t. They didn't care about women and they still don’t. The patriarchy doesn’t care for the advancement of women.
The tories have made life worse for many many women. But they’re happy for us to vilify trans women because it’s a handy distraction.

Female Chancellor, Deputy and Home Secretary.

Here's Stonewall ambassador for transwomen Alex Drummond.

You need to read the stats in detail. They are far more nuanced than the person you’ve quoted would have you believe.

When it was made clear that the person in question had not had gender reassignment surgery the stats are in favour of sex segregation.

There is also strong opposition to males in female sports.

I wonder why they failed to highlight those bits of the survey.

Research has shown 90%+ of trans women do not have gender reassignment surgery ie they are fully intact males. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6626314/

Are you not able to have a normal conversation, then?

SergeantDawkins
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No you’re right they didn’t. They didn't care about women and they still don’t. The patriarchy doesn’t care for the advancement of women.
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The tories have made life worse for many many women. But they’re happy for us to vilify trans women because it’s a handy distraction.

This. Just such a shame that so many are falling for it.

I’ve even read on other threads that people are voting for Farage because he knows what a woman is.

Insane.

So those of you that don't mind transwomen in your spaces, your prisons, changing rooms, rape shelters etc, would you honestly not care about any man in these spaces? Because it must be discriminatory to men, if transwomen are given these rights above other men. Why should just some of them be allowed to access these areas? A lot of men might prefer them, if they seem cleaner, safer, nicer, easier, and we don't seem to mind excluding them.

And yes ,I know a lovely transwoman, kind and friendly and not a threat at all. I still don't want them in my spaces, nor do I really think of them as a woman. I'm happy for them to present how they like, and I'm sure they wouldn't be a threat any more than any of the nice kind men I know. They exist, they wear dresses, they use a female name, I want good things for them and want them to be happy and safe. They aren't female though, and I don't want them in female spaces, not because I fear them in particular, but because of privacy and dignity which is not the same when they are there; and I don't want any transwomen/men in female spaces because I can't tell which of the others are nice and kind like the one I know.

100% right. The trans phenomenon seems to me to be founded on, and perpetuating, outdated stereotypes of how men and women "should" look and behave. The dreadful India Willoughby routinely hurls insults based on women's looks, in a way that very few real women would.

"Transwomen" is the wrong word, unfortunately. I see them not as a subset of women but as a subset of men, men who want to behave and present in ways traditionally and stereotypically associated with women, but who feel unable to do that and still call themselves men.

For fucks sake, I don’t think any part of you is actually thinking tbh. The Scottish government did NOT put a male sex attacker in a women’s prison. He was initially in the women’s prison estate - SEGREGATED! and was swiftly transferred to the men’s where he belongs.

Oh @Clarabell77 now THAT is aggressive

Not "falling for it", nor do I think it's "a handy distraction".

I think women's rights are massively important.

I don't think they are the only thing. I don't trust the Tories to deal with it properly either. I am not a single issue voter. I don't think the Tories' policies will be any good for women in other ways either; in fact, I think they'll be extremely harmful. So I won't vote for them or anyone else simply based on them 'knowing what a woman is'

But that doesn't mean that women's rights and the whole issue of what a woman is is not high on my priorities, even if I do end up voting Labour because there is no-one else.

DrNickedMaCorpus

Are you not able to have a normal conversation, then?”

Absolutely. Again, do you seriously consider Sunak or Farage “decent” men who give a beep beep for the rights of women?

It isn't "feeling like a woman". It is impossible for any man to know what being a woman feels like.....because he isn't one and never will be.

What does a woman feel like? I am one but I don't know. I only know what it means to feel like me. How would I have any frame of reference to feel like anything other than me?

No, they do not in 90% of cases.

There isn’t a single comment of mine that attacks or dehumanises anyone. And what’s with the bike ride comment? Are you a bit confused?

Again, the crime rates of "trans women" (esp sexual crime) have been shown to be the SAME (of not more) as those of men who identify as men.

This is incorrect. Transwomen have been shown to commit sexual offences at a rate more than three times more than other men.

Over 95% retain their penis in the UK. But sexual offenders who have been surgically or medically castrated have been found to offend much more violently.

No.

You haven’t answered where you’re ok to have men

You’re pushing against women speaking up so what’s the outcome you’re after

All spaces and sports mixed sex?

dehumanise a group already way more at risk of violence

would that be by referring to women as cervix havers (NHS campaigns) or bodies with a vagina (Lancet on their front page)

But as transwomen are men, what side of the line does that put them on?

@SergeantDawkins

Until Isla Bryan went to prison for rape, he was on a beautician course where young women were made to massage him and treat him as female even though they found him creepy, because he was a transwoman.

Is it the case that until a bloke who dresses as a woman is found guilty of a crime, they must be let into female only spaces? In which case, you are sacrificing the first woman (and any others who don't make a legal complaint) to the Pervy man

I assume you know that transwomen commit violent and sex offences at a rate that is at least as high as males according the MOJ statistics?

🤣🤣🤣🤣 Could you sound any more tone deaf?

“Wah wah people don’t agree with my opinion, so I’m going to call them transphobic”

People can be fine with someone being trans and also have concerns about women’s rights. The two are not mutually exclusive.

Critical thinking is your friend.

It's incredible to me that it's only ever women who object get told to shut up and put up about our side of this issue. Be quiet ladies, don't spoil things for Labour, stop making such a fuss and demanding things.

I've even seen someone on this thread describe women asking for our rights back as 'fiddling whilst Rome burns'. Unfuckingbelievable.

Well guess what Rome has been burning for at least a decade and in that decade trans activists have had no issue in demanding things for themselves (our things as it happens). Politicians and organisations everywhere have entertained and appeased their unscientific and misogynistic batshittery when they could have focused on the important issues. They could have found a backbone and said no to men demanding unreasonable things.

Funny how it's never 'fiddling whilst Rome burns' when some bloke is whining about how he's a marginalised non binary femme and needs to pee in the ladies. Just when women object. How about the posters here who are so worried about this issue damaging Labour take their ire out on the people who pushed it and the politicians willing to go along with harmful lies.

It's very unlikely this issue will stop Labour winning the election but if it did they'd damn well deserve it.

For fucks sake, I don’t think any part of you is actually thinking tbh. The Scottish government did NOT put a male sex attacker in a women’s prison. He was initially in the women’s prison estate - SEGREGATED! and was swiftly transferred to the men’s where he belongs.

But what about all the other male sex offenders who were in Scottish women's prisons unsegregated?

Well, i don't come across this nor does my DD or my sister, what i do come across is hetrosexual men who think they can treat women with utter contempt, even harassment but there are no Police to deal with this.

I come across a lack of healthcare for children and women, poor educational attainment, lack of leisure facilities, MH provision decimated.

As i said earlier, none of these things bother JKR, she can just buy her way out of them.

Don't get me wrong, i'm not a TWAW supporter at all, but it is way down the list of things that is wrong with this country.

For example, i have just got a 3k bill for dental work that has caused me, at times, a great deal of pain for about 4 months, i can afford this but many cannot, what do they do?
They are fucked, do you think they care about a man segregated in a female prison over their dental pain?