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Who should be denied cheap flight set up?

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Wayda · 20/06/2024 12:54

My younger brother is a pilot. For 5+ years I have been lucky enough to get access to very discounted cheap flights. Appreciate that. Has helped my child and I experience many things we simply would not be able to otherwise (single mum). My brother recently mentioned that I along with our other brother need to figure out who will keep the cheap flights. Pilot brother has 5 spots which he can divvy out. He has recently become serious with a girlfriend who he wants to give the discount to.

My brother (not the pilot) is on a far higher salary than me and does not have kids. Yes, he travels more than me but that is due to him having the time to do so. This brother also loaned my younger brother some money to live off whilst training so I think feels entitled to the discounts. He probably earns £80k. Anyway, when we met at the weekend he told me “you had a good run”! The cheek! Assuming I should give up my spot.

Parents witnessed this and did not say anything about their spots. If I were them I would try and help out a single mother. I know it may seem entitled but I’m more hurt by the lack of consideration.

AIBU?

OP posts:
worrieddaughter97 · 20/06/2024 16:52

Riversideandrelax · 20/06/2024 16:51

How is he being 'punished'?! Graciously passing on a benefit to your niece/nephew is not punishment in my book! Confused

By being forced to fork out for flights because OP sees the holidays as her divine right because she's a single parent?

They're both entitled, but OP is horrendously entitled.

Riversideandrelax · 20/06/2024 16:52

HollyKnight · 20/06/2024 16:49

Give up your child's spot and go on fewer or cheaper holidays.

She's already said she won't be able to afford any without the discount.

HollyKnight · 20/06/2024 16:55

Riversideandrelax · 20/06/2024 16:52

She's already said she won't be able to afford any without the discount.

Not if she wants to go as often and for the same price. Hence why I said go less and for cheaper.

Badassnameforadojo · 20/06/2024 16:55

@Riversideandrelax

This older brother has financially helped the pilot brother… I do wonder if he has also financially helped the OP. Perhaps he feels she has had enough help, and she can continue to have the benefit of one cheap fare instead of taking that from him.

worrieddaughter97 · 20/06/2024 16:55

Riversideandrelax · 20/06/2024 16:52

She's already said she won't be able to afford any without the discount.

Oh well?

A foreign holiday isn't a right.

Riversideandrelax · 20/06/2024 16:56

worrieddaughter97 · 20/06/2024 16:52

By being forced to fork out for flights because OP sees the holidays as her divine right because she's a single parent?

They're both entitled, but OP is horrendously entitled.

Who's forcing him to fork out for flights?? Is someone putting a gun to his head and making him go on lots of holidays??

My point is I don't understand why he wouldn't of his own free will pass on the benefit to his niece/nephew. I.e his choice - I've said nothing about forcing him!

wordler · 20/06/2024 16:58

backinthebox · 20/06/2024 13:57

I’m a pilot, and the benefit of Staff Travel is mine to use, mine to share and mine to allocate to whoever I want to. My family have, on occasion, suggested that they decide among themselves who gets to have access to it. This is not going to happen - world war 3 would break out among them all clamouring that they are the more worthy recipients, as has seemingly happened in this case. I can use my Staff Travel in various ways, and have always made a huge effort to get the best seats and prices for any of my family members who have asked me to help with flights. They’ve travelled the world, often in First Class paying effectively a handful of pounds for flights that would cost thousands if they bought them the normal way. If any relative of mine was as ungrateful for the years of cheap flights they’d had as a result of the work I do (it is not a freebie, it is a perk I earn by virtue of doing my job) they would be off the list and not going back on.

How does it work? OP said there are five 'spots' - does that mean it can be used five times a year just once? Or multiple times?

Would OP and non-pilot brother be able to share the spot unless they both wanted to go away at the same time?

worrieddaughter97 · 20/06/2024 16:58

Riversideandrelax · 20/06/2024 16:56

Who's forcing him to fork out for flights?? Is someone putting a gun to his head and making him go on lots of holidays??

My point is I don't understand why he wouldn't of his own free will pass on the benefit to his niece/nephew. I.e his choice - I've said nothing about forcing him!

Maybe because of OP's attitude to think she's somehow entitled to a cheap holiday by virtue of being a single mum?

LordSnot · 20/06/2024 16:59

Riversideandrelax · 20/06/2024 16:56

Who's forcing him to fork out for flights?? Is someone putting a gun to his head and making him go on lots of holidays??

My point is I don't understand why he wouldn't of his own free will pass on the benefit to his niece/nephew. I.e his choice - I've said nothing about forcing him!

Why on earth should he? Do you donate the cost of a holiday to someone else?

Hoppy1985 · 20/06/2024 16:59

Riversideandrelax · 20/06/2024 16:51

How is he being 'punished'?! Graciously passing on a benefit to your niece/nephew is not punishment in my book! Confused

Just as people don't know OP's situation we do not know other brother's either.

We don't know that he didn't sacrifice opportunities earlier in life because his money was tied up in helping his other brother become a pilot which is the whole reason the discount is available to any of the family in the first place.

I'm not sure either of them are more or less entitled or more or less selfish to be honest. I agree that OP's original post makes her sound entitled, equally the brother's comment also does.

HollyKnight · 20/06/2024 17:00

My point is I don't understand why he wouldn't of his own free will pass on the benefit to his niece/nephew.

Maybe he doesn't think providing his niece/nephew with holidays is his responsibility. Maybe he thinks he has more right to benefit from his brother being a pilot seeing as he financially supported him through that training.

Riversideandrelax · 20/06/2024 17:00

worrieddaughter97 · 20/06/2024 16:55

Oh well?

A foreign holiday isn't a right.

No one has said it is. Although according to you without the discount the other brother will be 'forced' to paying for flights!

But there's no point in saying oh just have one spot each if the OP will not be able to make use of her spot. To my mind that's just illogical.

Londonrach1 · 20/06/2024 17:00

Pilot brother chooses but tbh the person who helped me and not benefitted should get a turn. Only fair. You had a lot of cheap flights it's someone else's turn. Pilot new girlfriend possible wife and family should be after your brother.

worrieddaughter97 · 20/06/2024 17:02

Riversideandrelax · 20/06/2024 17:00

No one has said it is. Although according to you without the discount the other brother will be 'forced' to paying for flights!

But there's no point in saying oh just have one spot each if the OP will not be able to make use of her spot. To my mind that's just illogical.

Yes, because OP is whining about not being able to afford the holidays.

Perhaps she should have followed in her brothers' footsteps

Riversideandrelax · 20/06/2024 17:02

worrieddaughter97 · 20/06/2024 16:58

Maybe because of OP's attitude to think she's somehow entitled to a cheap holiday by virtue of being a single mum?

Yet, he's the one giving out the attitude. According to OP she's said nothing.

worrieddaughter97 · 20/06/2024 17:03

Riversideandrelax · 20/06/2024 17:02

Yet, he's the one giving out the attitude. According to OP she's said nothing.

But on this thread has consistently complained she won't get any holidays without the discount, and suggested she deserves the discount over her brother (who, by all accounts, paid a significant chunk of the training costs)

Riversideandrelax · 20/06/2024 17:04

LordSnot · 20/06/2024 16:59

Why on earth should he? Do you donate the cost of a holiday to someone else?

It's not the cost of a holiday for a start. It's part of the cost of a flight.

And I've not said anywhere that he 'should'. I just find it incredibly selfish. That's my opinion.

And yes, I've paid for things for my nephew.

Maddy70 · 20/06/2024 17:05

The one who travels more frequently. That gets the most use should have it but if you argued about i would give it to a friend

RedToothBrush · 20/06/2024 17:06

I feel sorry for the pilot brother, having to deal with the bickering over this. Genuinely I'd say that my employer was reducing the amount of discount they give out to avoid it.

Riversideandrelax · 20/06/2024 17:06

HollyKnight · 20/06/2024 17:00

My point is I don't understand why he wouldn't of his own free will pass on the benefit to his niece/nephew.

Maybe he doesn't think providing his niece/nephew with holidays is his responsibility. Maybe he thinks he has more right to benefit from his brother being a pilot seeing as he financially supported him through that training.

Yes, maybe he does think like that. I don't understand that attitude, personally.

countcalculia · 20/06/2024 17:07

Riversideandrelax · 20/06/2024 16:56

Who's forcing him to fork out for flights?? Is someone putting a gun to his head and making him go on lots of holidays??

My point is I don't understand why he wouldn't of his own free will pass on the benefit to his niece/nephew. I.e his choice - I've said nothing about forcing him!

Why should he pass on the benefit? OP has benefitted for 5 years.

worrieddaughter97 · 20/06/2024 17:08

Riversideandrelax · 20/06/2024 17:06

Yes, maybe he does think like that. I don't understand that attitude, personally.

Why?

He gave his brother £80,000. Without him there would be no discount

Riversideandrelax · 20/06/2024 17:09

worrieddaughter97 · 20/06/2024 17:02

Yes, because OP is whining about not being able to afford the holidays.

Perhaps she should have followed in her brothers' footsteps

So you think it makes perfect sense for OP to have one of the spots even though she won't be able to use it? Why?

worrieddaughter97 · 20/06/2024 17:09

Riversideandrelax · 20/06/2024 17:09

So you think it makes perfect sense for OP to have one of the spots even though she won't be able to use it? Why?

I think she shouldn't have either - less holidays and more time working on her career, perhaps?

RedToothBrush · 20/06/2024 17:10

Thing here is,if its about the cost of flights and saying 'well I wouldn't be able to go on holiday then' its a croc of shit. It just means you have to save for longer. OP has to be able to save enough for the rest of the holiday. You can book cheap flights if you are smart and on the ball, for less than £40 a head. Even at peak times. So thats £80 out of how much budget for a holiday?

OP can afford to go on holiday still. The idea she can't is actually manipulative.

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