6 year child - stranger talking about her penis

[hermenmumster]

Trigger warning : sensitive topic around Gender Identity

I was at a work event (private garden - bring family along deal) and someone there is a transgender woman- she was tall, bearded ,hirsuite and wearing a dress and heels.
My daughter (6) was roaming around with the other kids and i think must have asked the lady why she was wearing a dress.
She explained that she ´was born a man with a willy , and is now a lady ’

Something jarred in me about a grown person talking about gentalia to a 6 year old child.
What does the mumsnet think?
AIBU to be annoyed?

Inclusivity will always have costs and be paid for by the least powerful.

Examples?

Biggest mystery of modern times apparently 🤔

The gender ideology has partly come out of being a very inclusive society, it's a product of saying all are welcome here. Inclusivity will always have costs and be paid for by the least powerful.

And when you say 'all are welcome here' presumably that will eventually include the pedophiles and the bestialists also? Because why not? And those costs will be paid by the vulnerable also.

Jesus, I didn't think I could be further shocked by views expressed on here, but this is quite something

It has nothing to do with inclusiveness. It has to do with men wanting access to women's spaces and unconsenting women.

Every time a male person is included in womanhood or in women's spaces, female people are excluded.

Sport is the most obvious example. Every male athlete qualifying in or winning in a women's category represents a female athlete not qualifying or winning.

In single sex spaces, women with particular religious beliefs or trauma responses to men are forced to self exclude if male people are included.

Even the definition of womanhood, if it is changed to include some male people, will necessary exclude some female people because they will not fit whatever the new criteria are.

It's not about inclusiveness. It's about male domination.

She?? It was a bloody bearded man, not a woman. Transwomen who are genuinely trans, do not attend garden parties wearing a full beard.

FFS. Stop making excuses for these perverts.

“Inclusivity will always have costs and be paid for by the least powerful.”

WTF, Allshallbewell?!

The most powerful have always been included!

True inclusivity is supposed to be about making room for the least powerful, who have traditionally been excluded!

You're actually advocating for making life easier for those who already have it easier at the expense of the most marginalised and vulnerable? And you think that's progress??

One of the great coups of the trans rights movement was to position men who identify as women as more vulnerable and marginalised than actual women; to position women as more powerful and privileged than those men.

Women have been expected to swallow our discomfort and budge up, make room in the scarce bit of public space we had, for people who without the cloak of trans “marginalisation” are simply men.

This is why the drive to prevent women from recognising and naming these men as men has been so intense and vicious.

Once you undo that sleight of hand, you reveal that this is men taking away from women; the relatively powerful taking away from the relatively powerless.

“Inclusion” as it is practised today is actually exclusion of the genuinely more marginalised, vulnerable sex: female people. Women and girls.

Ultimately it's very easy to be accepting of men who want to wear dresses, without anyone having to suffer as a result.

So long as we never lose sight of the basic biological fact that they are men - and therefore all the societal rules we apply to men are still necessary.

Great post.

But OMG. I can’t believe this. And yet I can 😫

Andrew Gold discusses how he met a woman in Germany who works with men who admit they are attracted to children but don't act on it. So to prove her faith in them she lets them babysit her own children. 🤦‍♀️

I'm willing to believe that @Allshallbewell2021 has simply been a bit bamboozled by all the 'inclusivity' narratives and has boxed herself into arguments that she hasn't fully thought through. Hopefully she doesn't ultimately believe that the vulnerable in society need to suffer more so that men can push the boundaries of what society accepts.

I hope that's the case anyway.

Have you spoken to the people whose party it was?

Andrew Gold discusses how he met a woman in Germany who works with men who admit they are attracted to children but don't act on it. So to prove her faith in them she lets them babysit her own children

Jesus. I despair

Well yes, but I'm not allowed to say things like that. I get ticked off. I appreciate you filling in the gaps though.

Shame you're not on my keyboard, I guess? I'll write exactly as I wish to and you will have to deal with it – suck to be you, I guess.

I hope all the posters standing up for men's rights to talk about their penis to little girls are proud of themselves.

I cannot believe this is a hill any woman would choose to die on, and yet here we are!

Well said!

It's ... quite something 😵‍💫

I'm really intrigued by pp assertion that inclusivity requires victimising people and hope they expand on that.

Yup!

As long as I'm not aligning myself with someone who uses the word 'pervert' as a blanket statement to cover one characteristic, I'm good thanks.

I do believe in biological reality and that woman means biological woman - but I also believe that the cultural space has shifted out of my comfort zone and I am working with that reality.

As a person who was sexually abused as a child by a family friend - believe me - I do not want to destroy child safeguarding! We didn't have that when I was little.

I am not condoning any abuse, exploitation, or even bad behavior.

I am only acknowledging that the people I deal with are individuals and I am trying to work with the mix of people in this complex new cultural world. The innocent and the bad intentioned are all mixed up in this. Just like in life and politics. I don't defend the bad but I can see there are perfectly innocent men in dresses who don't say penis to children.

Literally no one has said it was OK. No one is standing up for this right.

All shall be well said she'd feel more understanding of a bloke in a dress talking about his dick to a child rather than a bloke in trousers talking about his dick to a child because one's a quirky paradox and one's a deviant sex pest.

Pull the other one