To be absolutely looking forward to this Tory wipeout

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It isn't just me I'm sure but I am totally gleeful at this anticipated annihilation of the Tory party. I did vote Tory last time. But absolutely can't wait to see them routed. They've been awful. How could they have Liz Truss happen. She should have been chucked out the party.

@CeasarS I would love a non-Oxbridge toff for PM but I can't get on board with Raynor's views on gender identity. The lack of compassion and understanding she had for the victims of "Isla Bryson" was breathtaking.

I don’t actually have a party I like.
however things in the late 90’s and 00’s were great, you could get a doctors appointment, a and e waiting times were acceptable, teachers weren’t leaving in droves. Teenagers had places to go and feel belonging and a sense of community so less likely to find gangs attractive.

I blame a lot of today’s issues on thatcher, but no party ever addressed it. Selling off (and not replacing) council housing, privatising utilities.
it may have solved things then, but it left a trail for issues now.

no party ever has a long term plan as they cycles are too short - although I wouldn’t want the Tory’s in longer!!

I don’t think higher taxes are a bad thing, uktimately, we all need to pay more to fix this mess.

more employed local public sector workers make for a happier community and more people employed more taxes paid so it keeps it circular.

There are a LOT of people, mainly older, in this country who will vote Conservative but would never admit it publicly. Especially at a time like this when they fear being vilified for it.

I'm an older person in a safe Tory seat and spend a huge amount of my time interacting with older people. None of the people I have spoken to feel they can vote Tory again. After 15 years of Tory government the state of public services in this country, Partygate, Truss, NHS waiting lists and watching their children and grandchildren struggling to make ends meet have taken their toll. The Tories have blown it.

And there are also a LOT of people, mainly younger, who are very vocal about hating the Tories but for whatever reason will not actually vote.

Earlier this week 630,000 people registered to vote. There is a lot of new blood coming in to vote at this election.

To all those posters saying that Labour will do 'not pretty' stuff....Here's what Labour did last time.https://www.shrewsburylabour.org.uk/labours-top-50-achievements/

If the Tories could campaign by boasting their successes they would.

What have they done for us ordinary people in 15 years?

.............tumbleweed.

OK, and the Tories have shown loads of compassion for....?

The way the gender thing is being used really pisses me off. Of course in a perfect world, Labour would sort their thinking out on that, but how on earth can that one issue be bigger than all the harm that's been done to e.g. millions of children in poverty?.

His aim isn't necessarily to win seats this time, it is to divide the tory vote and finish them off, then sweep to power in 2029.

Two weeks before the 1992 election there were 3 or 4 points between Labour and Tory. Nothing like now. Even the Tories know it is the end for them.

Yup.

Agree but I've never voted Tory

Oh I see, that's comforting. I was just a child so don't remember all the details but I remember Kinnock and co having aparty to celebrate and people sending them "New home" cards.

Who is going to ban home owning or private schools?

That was me. Never again.

I'm embarrassed I ever voted for them but you can do dumb things when you're young.

I am not so sure. 2010 was a hung parliament against the background of a global financial crash. Labour was not annihilated in the way the Tories are about to be.

It can’t get any worse can it?

There's also a strong suggestion that The Sun will back Starmer this time. Not quite so forcefully and they don't have the influence they once did, but that's the general feeling.

Yes, yes it can and almost certainly will. Voters have educated themselves too late.

Why? In what way? I keep hearing this, but no one can tell me why.

Where did you see the suggestion?

I’m unhappy with the predicted such a sweeping landslide, I think a robust opposition is a good thing, there’s elements of Tory policies that I’d like them to stand up for in opposition, such as sex based rights type thing.

Not sure why people are making a fuss about the size of the majority. The Tories had an 80 seat majority and could basically vote through whatever legislation they liked for the last 5 years regardless of the opposition. Their main problem was that they’ve basically had 5 years of doing fuck-all, not that they needed a bigger majority to achieve anything.

Why? A few suggestions based on what I see and who I know in RL and online: most voters are hazy if not completely unaware of the FPTP system and why it is so damaging, most voters are ill-informed or only partially-informed about policies and candidates and are influenced by friends, family, who they think will win, class identity or having voted Lab or Con since 1934 etc.

Most voters have no idea that they can and must step up and play a continued part in the democratic process: this goes far beyond a simple X in the box on polling day. They are disillusioned, disengaged, have no belief in their own power to drive change for their local community and are just expecting the politicians to sort it out and then act all shocked and surprised when they f things up spectacularly.

So we will get Starmer and whatever he decides is best. Just as we got Boris. Wonderful.

I can't remember where I saw it, but there's this https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cw88x6ww1p8o

Reform for me. Seeing my self employed husband leave for work at 6 every morning to work his backside off to pay for the work shy just isn’t fair.
Don’t kid yourself, Labour (how ironic, they don’t help those who actually work, just tax them to death) will no doubt hit him every way they can. What’s the point of working hard and striving when it’s taken away to pay for those who expect it all for free? Why anyone who works votes for Labour genuinely baffles me. We need a strong opposition; conservative and labour are all self serving. Reform!

Not to mention the 1992 general election. Labour were ahead in the polls, the exit polls seemed to indicate they’d win, then….tbey didn’t.

As a number of others have said, personal concern is a Labour supermajority which effectively leaves them unchecked, a good opposition can check things that may not genuinely be in the interest of most people, but no opposition means do what you want

Indeed. I see nothing in that manifesto that's going to do anything but improve things. But frankly, if they tore it up, went home, and put a red tie on the Downing Street cat, at least it would put a stop to the current direction of travel which would mean things would get no worse.