To be absolutely looking forward to this Tory wipeout

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It isn't just me I'm sure but I am totally gleeful at this anticipated annihilation of the Tory party. I did vote Tory last time. But absolutely can't wait to see them routed. They've been awful. How could they have Liz Truss happen. She should have been chucked out the party.

Why would a majority of 80 mean more ‘checks’ than one of 200? Both let you vote through whatever you like.

This ‘supermajority’ thing is nonsense.

This.

Polls are not results and results are not known until the day.

Personally, I'd like to see the Tories lose to such an extent that they are forced to spend some time in the wilderness regrouping and (hopefully!) reforming themselves as a serious political party with ethics and a vision. Not the money grabbing grifters they are right now (I see ANOTHER candidate is now under investigation for knowing when the election day was going to be and betting on it).

I'm good with the opposition being any other serious political party. I'd prefer it not to be Farage because I don't think that's what he and is party are. They are all too murky and close to Trump for my personal liking.

But I would not assume these polls showing a big Labour lead are going to come through on the day like that. Right wing voters tend not to declare it in polls and left wing voters tend to stay at home more when it actually comes to it.

I can’t believe people are buying into the supermajority nonsense.

Roughly translated it’s the Tories saying we know we’re about to get our arses handed to us on a plate, so this is a desperate attempt to retain at least some seats.

Clement Attlee had a “supermajority” and transformed the country for the better. Let’s hope Labour do the same again, because there’s a lot to fix.

There will not be a supermajority. It's a Tory con trick.

Why would a majority of 80 mean more ‘checks’ than one of 200? Both let you vote through whatever you like.

It doesn't really and in fact I think such a large majority comes with a risk that it is easier for your own party to hold you to account - i.e. to ignore the whip, because it's easier to get the numbers to push back when your party does something you don't think is right.

The whole Tory campaign has been run on fear. Be afraid of this. Be afraid of that. We're shit but someone else is going to be even worse. I am sick of them making the country afraid to suit their own ends. They've done it right from the Brexit start and all through the pandemic and then through the cost of living and now into an election where they are using words like 'supermajority' to make us afraid, threatening us with nuclear wars and Russia and China whilst they are the ones that put Russion oligarchs in the HofLs. They want us cowering in the bloody dark, afraid of our own shadows and I have had enough!

Sorry but just think this through. So you have a Labour majority so big that not even the other parties joining forces would be enough to put even a tiny dent in anything they want to put through. Great, right?

Then they put through something you don't like. Then they put through something completely outrageous and there's absolutely no one to even scrutinize it, let along oppose. Do you know that it also means Labour will be the large majority of Chairs in the scrutiny committees? So they will be marking their own homework. Poor decisions will be made and nodded through and we won't even realize the impact until it's too late. There will be almost no one in the front bench who has served in government before, there will be no institutional memory of how a government should be run. It makes me uneasy.

And lots of decent public servants are going to lose their seats, they aren't all crooks. My Tory MP has been fantastic, highly visible and proactive who will 100% lose his seat to someone who was been selected two weeks ago and knows fuck all about our area.

I always felt Lib Dem’s got truly hung out to dry in the coalition. Without a decent majority any government will be blocked from making any progress and we will just have more shit show in fighting - whichever party that is.

as for reform.

frankly, that scares the shit out of me. Scratch beneath the surface you’ve more private school educated, self serving MPs who haven’t been vetted (farage said they didn’t have time). There’s no substance behind their policy, no costings and just a shrug in response to a lot of questions.
they need time to set up a proper party, vet candidates properly come up with a policy and cost it.

Agree on the super majority bullshit... Govt's don't listen to the opposition, just look at May? she didn't even have one but ignored Labour/LDs.

But i don't see Labour fixing much e.g Dentistry, its possibly the weakest of all their manifesto pledges, in a weak manifesto.

Adults and Children need comprehensive and ongoing dental care, not some stupid and very expensive "emergency appointments" scheme where the dentist charges the Govt a fortune to fix one filling whilst ignoring all the other issues the patient has which will cause them problems in the near future..... its like throwing tarmac into a pot hole, only for it to wash out again a few weeks later.

Exactly. All of this. I am no die hard Tory, in fact I am more left leaning, but I like a healthy democracy

farage said they didn’t have time

Worse that that - they seem to have paid £144k to a company to do it for them without....
a) properly vetting the company
or
b) having payment milestones, instead they paid everything upfront and are now complaining the company didn't do the work

Doesn't exactly endear fiscal trust, does it? All sounds a bit 'we've bought useless PPE we'll just have to burn now'.

I honestly struggle to think of how it can get worse. We are living in a divided society ran by corrupt liars. Our public services are decimated. Child poverty is rife. There is a cost of living crisis. Brexit has led to more problems than solutions - another lie sold to the masses. Covid highlighted how much contempt our government has for ordinary people. What exactly is going to happen that is worse than all of that?

@ALovelyCupOfNameChange I get why people will vote reform, its because people feel both main parties don't care about them & reading through the main parties manifestos, who can blame them?

Of course Reform are bunch of fraudsters too but they are new fraudsters, promising the world.

The rise of Reform is on both of the main parties.

No one. That’s the point. But there are some ridiculous claims flying about.

I completely get it.
both main parties are at fault. So much corruption and in fighting means people are looking for an alternative.
I do get it, and it’s part of the reason Brexit took hold.
what worries me is that a party with such poor vetting and candidates with questionable values (reform not tories 😆)
stand a chance because people are so politically homeless and disenfranchised

Because there has been no systemic change in the "kingdom". A kingdom ffs, in 2024. The Privy Council and other farcical historical accidents still shape our legislative process in the 21st century.

On 5 July we will STILL be living in a divided society run by corrupt liars, this time from the other side. They are enabled to become and/or remain corrupt because the electorate doesn't really understand what is happening.

Our system has not kept pace with the times. It is hugely inefficient and is squeezed at both ends, with billions of pounds and vast resources squandered on people who have no entitlement to any of it.

Nobody scrutinises the legislation (there's a book on this by a well-known journalist, sorry name escapes me atm but will try to remember). Nobody scrutinises the politicians themselves, it is just a free-for-all. The entire system is dysfunctional and under-regulated. There is no national constitution, no values, no principles, no morals, just a bunch of people elected to prop up a system that benefits a tiny majority.

Local government is a complete and utter shitshow and is just a reflection of the pantomime at national level.

Any posters who are happy with their local authority, please post why? So that everyone else can see the best practices to be copied elsewhere and how the course can be corrected. I personally don't think there are any good practices anywhere in the UK but really want to be wrong about that.

There is no accountability that I can see, at any level of politics. Do you see any? Really?

Society has to change its attitude to voting and politics, but it hasn't as far as I can see, so that's why I think it's going to be more of the same on 5 July.

Simply because with a majority of 80, if some of your own MPs don’t agree and vote against a proposal it can quickly become more difficulty to pass things, if your majority is 200 or so, it doesn’t matter if 40 or 50 of your party vote against, it still goes through, no checks, simple maths

Isn’t it the polls suggesting this kind of win?

Some more than others but that’s where it’s coming from, or do you think polls are wrong / suggesting something else?

Oh yes I'm filled with glee

In regards to Liz Truss. I think a lot of people in the party backed her because they believed what she wanted to do was much better than at present. However her downfall was doing too much immediately, trying to be radical and therefore shocking the markets.

But the whips make sure your MPs vote with the party. Simple politics.

Well it's not over until 10pm @ 4th July.
Those who vote Tory won't be broadcasting it right now methinks.
And my constituency is still predicted to stay Tory by over 10%.
I hope Labour get a decent majority & Lib Dems come 2nd. But the Tories could join Farage's lot, or he could head up the Tories next time around. Labour's inheritance is a bankrupt broken country. They can only do so much on 4 / 5 years It's 2028/9 that I'm concerned about (BJ/Farage/Trump)

But the whips make sure your MPs vote with the party. Simple politics.

They do and if you don't vote with the whip, you can have it removed from you (essentially kicking you out of the party). Which is why I think the bigger numbers make it easier. Because, if say 100 of you rebel and don't vote along with the whip, you're far less likely to all find yourselves out on your ear.

It's much more risky voting against your party when it's just go and that bloke Geoff from Wolverhamption doing it.

There are a lot of closet Tory voters.

mind you there are a few out the closet near me, with their banners out loud and proud. Which makes me laugh. You can have a great local mp who is a Tory, how can you think “I know, the past 14 years have been great, I will show all the neighbours how great I think it’s been”

How could they let Truss happen?
She is just on member of a huge Dramatis Personae in this tragedy.

Sometimes awful people manage things well

Sometimes admirable people cause a multi faceted disaster.

This iteration of Tories are despicable people who caused disaster.

May they shrivel in shame.

But part of their problem is that they seem devoid off the ability to feel shame.

I have just listened to an interesting podcast about the impact of TikTok during election campaigning

what was really surprising/disappointing is the high number of young reform voters and this indicates that more young people than people between 40-50 support reform and that tick TikTok works well for parties with limited less complex messages

up side of that is young voters are the least likely to vote maybe for once this is a positive

That's true, maybe it would be better if he kept his seat. Let him do some of the unglamourous hard work that backbench MPs do for their constituents.

It might even give him an understanding of how out of touch he is.

Or he might just quit and call a bye election