To be absolutely looking forward to this Tory wipeout

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It isn't just me I'm sure but I am totally gleeful at this anticipated annihilation of the Tory party. I did vote Tory last time. But absolutely can't wait to see them routed. They've been awful. How could they have Liz Truss happen. She should have been chucked out the party.

I’m 55 so no I’m not young at all. Research has demonstrated repeatedly that trust in politicians has never been lower: I have studied politics all my life and I know it’s never been brilliant but Johnson broke it completely.

This would absolutely make my night - I’m just sorry that wanker Johnson didn’t wait around to be humiliated too 🤬

I don't look forward to it even though they deserve it. The reason is that a huge Labour majority (a huge majority for any party) is not good for the country - I've seen it referred to as dictatorship by consent. A large part of the problems over the last 25 years have been caused by governments not being faced with an effective opposition, first the Blair years when the Tories chose leaders like William Hague and Iain Duncan Smith, then the Cameron/May/Johnson years where Labour plumped for Ed Miliband then Jeremy Corbyn. The Tories don't currently have a proper opposition even now, it's just that they're so shit even Keir Starmer can trounce them.

That's my major reason to not "look forward" to the rout. Starmer and the current Labour party are absolutely shocking. They will do more damage to the country in five years than the Tories managed in 14, even including the brief Truss period. They will fuck the country over, we will all be worse off.

Whoever gets in, things are only headed downhill. It's just a case of how quickly you want that to happen.

What do you think is actually going to change? The NHS won’t be fixed, prices will still by sky high, the same problems will be there. I’ll vote and I’ll be voting Labour because my local MP is good, that’s the sole basis of it for me but forgive me if I’m not jumping for joy.

Yes, I am not naive about politics and politicians but Johnson and chums took it to a new level.

Outrageous lies about Brexit, that will damage the country for generations

Illegally proroguing parliament

Partying while the whole country was locked down

I’m wishing for exactly that - investment in education, children’s centres, lower NHS waiting times. Yes all sounds terrible 🙄

Sadly Starmer doesn’t have the money that Blair had which is going to be one his biggest challenges. Not to mention Farage up in his face about fucking tax cuts 24/7.

This.

Labour having a huge majority isn't good for anyone. And this gives them more opportunities to push any of crap laws through they want.

Beware what you wish for.

What we desperately desperately need is the introduction of proportional representation to stop this constant flipping from Labour to Tory. Let some of the smaller parties have a voice - within safe parameters as they do in Germany. Allow negotiation and compromise to become acceptable so we don’t get this ludicrous binary of you’re either with me or against me. It’s one of the policies I hoped Blair would introduce - he must have known he couldn’t keep getting massive majorities and one day he’d be watching the Tories get in again and undo all the investments he’d made. 😢

I am concerned with such a large majority as I don't think that is good for democracy and calling the government to account - I hold that view regardless of it being a labour or tory majority (or any other party.) I think the Tory's are in disarray and out of touch but I am not pro labour either and I was a massive Tony Blair supporter. I worry about some of labour's policies and am concerned - I hope the majority is nowhere near as large as being predicted. I live in a constituency which is did go labour once but is broadly conservative and due to the fact I don't believe in a couple of policies spouted by labour and the fact I don't want such a labour majority I will be voting conservative which is a first for me.

Like all the crap laws the tories pushed through with no opposition? Cuts both ways.

I live in Wales.

I’d hold off on the Labour glee, given our experience here.

Whatever Labour does wont be any different to the Tories because they aren't economy builders or have any robust wealth generation policies. They just re-distribute or take on a lot of debt to paper over the cracks.

The Tories were pretty rubbish and everyone talks about how terrible things are now but it's exactly the same across the world - i can't think of any country that's booming both socially and liberally with an aging population and a depletion of industry. Most of the countries in Europe people use an example either have conservative social policies or Govts, or tiny incomparable populations. For a conservative Govt this country still has a far more cohesive and integrated approach to immigration and vulnerable groups than most. Sure Rwanda was a daft idea but Labour has some stinkers as well - no party will ever get the balance right.

Labour try to appease everyone which actually causes more problems and division in the long run. I live in a labour council and they've allowed redevelopment to happen so poorly, there's no infrastructure or services and thousands of new people moving in. Lots of white middle class liberals pushing out the working class and even the immigrant Eastern European families. I always marvel at how poorly integrated the liberal white middle classes are here - no friends of colour despite how diverse this city is, the schools and pubs have gone from being very diverse to mostly white, and our local litter picking/area conservation group died out after 40 years because they're not interested in community outside gathering in cafes. Oh and the reason they're all moving here is for the grammar schools - which were once great for the poor but academic kids here, but now with all the private coaching these parents can afford, the working class kids are stuck with the shitty state comps. And so the division continues.

So the Tory council 5 miles away which has pushed back on redevelopment and protecting local services is far more diverse now. And people travel there for services which to me sums up the problem with Labour. They maintain the division between working and middle classes and PoC and white majorities - because it takes away any route to move up.

I hope it works as you want op after the GE

I can’t see it wrt policies but I guess we’ll find out

Just stating my opinion. Why does everyone assume you support tories because you don't like labour.

It’s the SNP I want to see wiped out.

As a middle income earner in Scotland I’m screwed whoever gets in-as per usual

Landslides and extremes are never a good thing imo, it just illustrates the total lack of balanced representation in this broken system. Stupid football-team politics.

After their recent history, highest drug deaths, the recent gender law bollocks, and corruption at the very top you would hope so.

I wouldn't be too gleeful yet.
The tories have a magical woowoo way of staying put.
And let's be honest, everyonne thought brexit wouldn't be voted for; apathy landed us in this shit storm!

I am really looking forward to a Labour government and I hope they have a large majority. With a small majority, the government are beholden to a few backbenchers who are often from the extreme end of the party. This means that sensible policies which would benefit the long-term future do not get through.

Labour behind the scenes have been quietly working away on policies that do not cost huge amounts of money but can improve the country. For example, the Conservatives increased the discounts on right to buy which has led to more social housing being sold, and often then rented back to the councils at inflated prices. Labour plan to dramatically cut such discounts from day one. This is an example of a sensible, long-term policy rather than a quick vote winning bribe by Tories to their core vote.

You said you were a socialist and have champagne. You are a champagne socialist. It’s not a jibe, it’s a fact.

Regardless of whether you like Labour, the Tories whoever, it is not healthy for a democracy to not have a functioning democracy.

If your mentality is 'gleeful' that you are somehow punishing the Tory government, that is not healthy.

Abuses of power and cases of negligence are more likely to happen without outside influence to hold power to account.

And Christ we've had quite enough of that over the last few years already.

This is unlikely to fix the problem.

You would be unreasonable not to feel that way!

How can anyone look at the state of the UK under this shower of charlatans and think “oh yes, 5 more years of that, please”? It’s nothing short of bewildering.

Absolutely, but I’m just not counting any chickens yet

Also I'm not convinced we will be free of the internal party squabbling that has characterised politics at the expense of the public either.

Sorry I find no reason whatsoever to be getting excited regardless of my dislike of this government.

Imagine admitting that you voted for Boris Johnson.

I think Labour will win with a sizable majority. I think the Tories will lose a huge number of seats. I'll enjoy both of those (from NI where I don't actually get to vote for either, in any real way). But I don't think the wipe out will be as big as the polls are suggesting. Mathematical models don't tend to work well around the edges where they haven't been tested before, and that's where we are.

I look forward to Starmer as PM, I think he'll be good at it. Not a miracle worker, but I believe he's intelligent, capable, serious and in it for the right reasons (as well as his own ambition of course, I'm not stupid). It's been a while since we've had an intelligent, capable, serious PM.