To be absolutely looking forward to this Tory wipeout

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It isn't just me I'm sure but I am totally gleeful at this anticipated annihilation of the Tory party. I did vote Tory last time. But absolutely can't wait to see them routed. They've been awful. How could they have Liz Truss happen. She should have been chucked out the party.

I think it will be very pleasing in the moment - my worry is that a wipeout will contribute to an increasingly unhinged 'anti-woke' (as in anti rights, respect for people's lives, helping people) direction for the party in opposition and that will get support from the media moguls who want the world to be distracted from what they do with their money.

"For a conservative Govt this country still has a far more cohesive and integrated approach to immigration and vulnerable groups than most."

Utter rot. This conservative government and the ones that preceded it have been by far the most divisive that I've ever known. Skivers vs Strivers, Windrush, the changes to disability benefits, benefits caps etc etc.

Anyone who posts this comment has little to no idea about anything.

This.... I feel old. It swings back and forth but no difference. Some things are worse, some better under each party. In four years you hate labour and four years later you hate Tory. Repeat pattern.

I think he'd honestly be quite happy- then he's done, can move to the US, go back into the private sector - he's still pretty young. If he keeps his seat he has to either give it up and prompt a by-election or be a back bencher which reduces his other options. I wouldn't be wasting another four years at his age, especially given that his own position isn't where the ruins of the Conservative Party are likely to go in terms of policy/direction.

This line that keeps being trotted put about Rayner replacing Starmer is for the birds.

Starmer is going to deliver a massive majority. His party won't be getting rid of him any time soon.

But what would be so bad about Rayner as PM? I think she'd be great.

I'm still not convinced it's going to happen.

I still hear an awful lot of "it would be even worse under Labour" and people still seem to think the Tories are the only ones to control immigration, even though they haven't up to now.

Plus the the general fear that taxation must be higher under a Labour government (even if there's no evidence to say that would be the case) and the UK never votes for increased taxes, even though people say they're prepared to pay for better services.

I think there's a chance Reform will pick up some seats to keep the Conservatives out, but I don't think it's going to be the Labour landslide some believe.

Don’t count your chickens. Remember the Scottish independence referendum? Yes won the campaign hands down. They wiped the floor with No, both online & in real life. Yes banners were everywhere. Their supporters were out, loud & proud.
Then, on polling day, the silent majority came out in force and No won decisively by 55% to 45%.

There are a LOT of people, mainly older, in this country who will vote Conservative but would never admit it publicly. Especially at a time like this when they fear being vilified for it.

And there are also a LOT of people, mainly younger, who are very vocal about hating the Tories but for whatever reason will not actually vote.
The result of this election could be a lot closer than most people expect.

rEdS uNdEr tHe bEdS!!!!!!!

Can you give any examples where Labour have ousted a sitting Prime Minister? How often do you normally parrot Daily Mail and GB News talking points to cause fear in the simple minded and gullible?

Absolutely and similar was trotted out in America last election about Harris replacing Biden which never happened.

Yes to this. I don't know why Starmer wouldn't want to stay as PM after delivering a big win. And I don't know why Rayner would be a bad thing or why she's hated so much she's used as a threat by the opposition (well, I know it's classism and misogyny. Sigh.).

What was so awful about New Labour? Anyone working in education or Health absolutely hankers for those days.

A massive majority of any party isn't good. I might just vote Tory to balance it out a bit.

Ditto. FPTP is not democratic; a large number of disenfranchised voters is not good for civic cohesion; an unchecked govt does not make good decisions.

I wish we had proportional representation.

I think people are a little more than 'fed up and bored' this time. That is the understatement of the century

Rayner is brilliant, but she's a working class woman, young single mum, with a working class accent. Unfortunately even the working classes don't want to be governed by that stereotype. There's something in people that believes PMs should come from the ruling classes, or at least look and sound like they belong there.

The irony about this election.

No one wants the Tories.
But simultaneously a surprising amount of people don't actually want Labour either.

Even if they intend to vote Labour.

They are only voting that way to vote against the Tories.

This is not healthy.

It begs questions for the next election. Ones I don't like the sound of.

I think it goes beyond bored and fed up. Just a few things the Tories have done since they got into power; a 20% increase in child poverty, the number of food banks gone from 35 in 2010 to 2800 in 2023, increase in homelessness (i'm sure you've seen this with your own eyes), they have closed Sure Start centres and libraries, they partied while we obeyed covid rules, eroded worker's rights, they've allowed the churning out of sewage into our rivers and beaches, huge increases in dental health issues in children, there's endless examples of financial misconduct, tolerance of racial abuse and then there's the NHS... I could go on.

It frightens me. One party with all the power is never good. In any situation. Far better to have a mix. I'd like every change to be properly debated and assessed for long-term and unintended consequences. But it won't be - and that's usually a bad thing.

People love to "hate" as if politics is a soap opera. "Yah-boo to the baddies" but it's about the big picture and the longer term.

Maybe a Labour majority will be able to deliver that but I suspect it's unlikely.

I'd rather see balance and a properly run country than a huge majority of either party. (I'd like to see PR as a system but that's unlikely as it suits the ruling party to keep FPTP).

It's such a shame isn't it. It's the backwards and in heels thing, she's done a remarkable job to get where she is and should be commended for that not judged.

There will be no Opposition apart from extremes.

I am also concerned about the calibre of some of the potential MPs: characterless public sector individuals or very young people with no real work or any other experience.

As a “person in the middle” I am worried about being hammered by tax rises as no party ever has succeeded in pinning down the really wealthy or canny corporations. So they come for the PAYE schmucks.

@aloha90210 I remember the Blair years, they were actually ok. They didn’t oust him to appoint a far left stooge. They didn’t ban home owning or private schools. They tried to mend the damage the Tories and Thatcher had caused. Infrastructure was shot.
@MaturingCheeseball aren’t you already hammered by tax with nothing to
show ? Labour have said they’ll stick to Tory spending plans as far as they can.

Not at all unreasonable in my opinion. I'm routing for the same, however I don't feel anywhere near as confident. Still so much that can happen in 2 weeks. Farage is an unpleasant curve ball. Some people are actually still supporting the Conservatives, and this rhetoric around a certain huge Labour majority might bring out those Tory voters who weren't going to vote, just to try and reduce that majority out of fear. I do think Labour will win but I do also believe its all still to play for and until polling day anything can happen.

I'm very much looking forward to a Labour government and optimistic for what that means for my children and grandchildren. After reading the manifesto even more so because if even a fraction of the plans are implemented then we will at last be moving in the direction of a society I want to live in.
I don't feel any particular sense of glee at the down fall of the Tories, as maybe I've mellowed with age, but I don't have the burning hatred I did for the Thatcher government. This shower are just Tories doing what Tories do. Their incompetence has been a surprise, but not the direction they led us in, which was par for the course, and if you voted for them, you largely got what you could have expected.
Its more a sence of excitement and optimism for change.

I think that the corruption and sleaze in the current government is off the scale. They have gotten away with so much for so long, that they are even being investigated over betting on the timing of the actual election 🙄

They need gone.

I'm so excited too but am old enough to remember when everyone was 100% certain Kinnock would win the election. Then the Sun did that stupid headline "Can the last person to leave the country turn the light out" or something similar and people lost their nerve. The Tories won. Because of this I'm not allowing myself to get too excited.