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Terrorists' vandalising Stone Henge and trying to force govt policy

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FoxJTT047101111 · 19/06/2024 19:58

We need the security services to shut the group down when they are carrying out what can be described as terrorist methods to influence govt policy.

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Everysand · 19/06/2024 21:47

brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr · 19/06/2024 21:45

Do you think that having taken a lot of measures already that I haven’t considered it ?

It fails because public transport in my rural village is not fit for purpose. First bus out gets me to work at 10:30am, last back means I would have to leave at 4pm.

Maybe use a bike

Ilovemyshed · 19/06/2024 21:47

Blackcats7 · 19/06/2024 20:02

Whilst I don’t think their methods are right I don’t agree that they are terrorists. They target things not people.

The definition in the Terrorism Act is:

The specific actions included are:
• serious violence against a person;
• serious damage to property;
• endangering a person's life (other than that of the person committing the action);
• creating a serious risk to the health or safety of the public or a section of the public; and
• action designed to seriously interfere with or seriously to disrupt an electronic system.

So yes, they very much ARE terrorists.

RavenclawWitchy · 19/06/2024 21:48

Summer Solstice is tomorrow. Hundreds of Pagans and Wiccans will be visiting Stonehenge as a place of religious worship. This is the very reason JSO chose this target.
No different than vandalising a mosque the day before Eid or a church on Christmas Eve.

LlynTegid · 19/06/2024 21:50

I bet they travelled there on an oil powered vehicle.

Gakpo · 19/06/2024 21:51

RavenclawWitchy · 19/06/2024 21:48

Summer Solstice is tomorrow. Hundreds of Pagans and Wiccans will be visiting Stonehenge as a place of religious worship. This is the very reason JSO chose this target.
No different than vandalising a mosque the day before Eid or a church on Christmas Eve.

This, 100%

Utterly disrespectful.

cupcaske123 · 19/06/2024 21:51

NeverDropYourMooncup · 19/06/2024 21:45

Is potentially rendering particular species of lichen (which is not impossible, some are incredibly localised) extinct laughable? Is making it impossible for the assorted crowds of people who go there every midsummer as part of their spiritual beliefs to access the place as they're now going to be seen as untrustworthy/might have paint or other substances on them to destroy more of the particular local ecosystem also laughable?

Seeing as archaeology goes down to the microscopic level in the form of identifying plants, lichens and pollen, they've already added 'pigments from 21st century vandalism' to the history of the site.

They're not clever, they're not heroes or anything special. They're just pretending that their desire to destroy things that don't matter to them is for good reasons instead of the actual reasons of a buzz and more attention.

You seem to have deliberately misinterpreted what I meant. The government have approved a plan to build a road under Stone Henge which, in my opinion, is an act of vandalism. Therefore the government calling this an act of vandalism is bare faced cheek.

I didn't call them heroes.

Allfur · 19/06/2024 21:51

Fireyflies · 19/06/2024 21:41

I think the issue is that some people see this kind of thing and think that environmentalism has "gone too far' and is not for people like them (who wouldn't throw paint), so they start to see themselves as different from the environmentalists. They the start to question some of the other demands that environmentalism puts on their lives - and vote Reform so that their taxes aren't being spent on the things these vandals are demanding.

Ah! so they're increasing the reform vote?

GreigeO · 19/06/2024 21:53

LOL at everyone tutting over disrespecting the witches!

Fireyflies · 19/06/2024 21:58

Allfur · 19/06/2024 21:51

Ah! so they're increasing the reform vote?

Absolutely! Have a look on twitter - there's right wingers all over it saying how this illustrates how net zero has gone too far and Labour's net zero plans need to stop because that would be giving these people what they want.

Fireyflies · 19/06/2024 22:00

cupcaske123 · 19/06/2024 21:51

You seem to have deliberately misinterpreted what I meant. The government have approved a plan to build a road under Stone Henge which, in my opinion, is an act of vandalism. Therefore the government calling this an act of vandalism is bare faced cheek.

I didn't call them heroes.

The government did not approve a road under stone henge. They wanted to widen the A303 which has a single track bit near stone henge which is always a traffic jam. They agreed (at the request of English Heritage I believe) to make a big tunnel for the bit of the road near stone henge so that the view of the road didn't spoil people's enjoyment of the stones.

EsmaCannonball · 19/06/2024 22:04

It's the constantly going after soft targets that alienates the public from Just Stop Oil and makes their stunts counterproductive. It's not like Greenpeace sailing in front of whalers or women camping on Greenham Common. It would be more logical and sympathetic if they targeted OPEC countries but that might come at some personal risk and cost, so they won't do it.

The whole debacle of Baillie Gifford and the Hay Literary Festival tells you how grandiose these people are, and how unworldly about the way things work. They thought that given the choice between its investors and sponsoring a literary festival, an investment fund would choose the festival. Nothing they have done so far has done a jot for the environment but they are making life a lot harder for free-to-access museums, galleries and heritage sites in a way that will gradually chip away at the visitor experience of those places. It won't matter to Just Stop Oil, though, as they all seem rich enough to jet around the world in a way that suggests free entry places don't really matter to them.

Harvestfestivalknickers · 19/06/2024 22:04

brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr · 19/06/2024 21:38

That JSO took action lead to people reading that article.

'Lets disrupt people getting to work and getting married! People need to be aware of the article in Guardian that someone else wrote!'
Why not stand for election? Nothing to stop them ?

Wideskye · 19/06/2024 22:05

blacksax · 19/06/2024 21:42

Leaving aside the criminal damage of an ancient monument and the disgraceful act of endangering rare species, I wonder whether they considered the powerful religious significance that Stonehenge holds for Pagans.

Would they have vandalised a synagogue or a mosque? I very much doubt it, because they are cowards as well as fuckwits.

They deserve nothing but utter contempt for their actions.

Exactly, in my old school many students could ask for the Solstice off as it was their religious or worshable day.

cupcaske123 · 19/06/2024 22:10

Fireyflies · 19/06/2024 22:00

The government did not approve a road under stone henge. They wanted to widen the A303 which has a single track bit near stone henge which is always a traffic jam. They agreed (at the request of English Heritage I believe) to make a big tunnel for the bit of the road near stone henge so that the view of the road didn't spoil people's enjoyment of the stones.

The tunnel is going under the site.

brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr · 19/06/2024 22:12

Harvestfestivalknickers · 19/06/2024 22:04

'Lets disrupt people getting to work and getting married! People need to be aware of the article in Guardian that someone else wrote!'
Why not stand for election? Nothing to stop them ?

People who care about the planet’s future also do that. There’s more than one approach.

brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr · 19/06/2024 22:14

Everysand · 19/06/2024 21:47

Maybe use a bike

I do that too.

SocoBateVira · 19/06/2024 22:14

Fucking bellends.

Viscoelasticity · 19/06/2024 22:14

SnowDiaries · 19/06/2024 21:24

Just Stop Oil's German equivalent also claimed that the orange paint they sprayed on the Brandenburg Gate in Berlin would 'just wash off in the rain'. It didn't. Cleaning the porous sandstone took three months, costing €140k of taxpayer's money.

Orange paint on stones - meh nobody dies. Can’t get worked up about it.

Climate change - meh nobody … oh, wait.

🤔🤯

ThursdayTomorrow · 19/06/2024 22:16

Have they been infiltrated by oil companies? It seems the only explanation as they are doing such a great job at turning people away from the environmental cause.

ThursdayTomorrow · 19/06/2024 22:18

Fireyflies · 19/06/2024 22:00

The government did not approve a road under stone henge. They wanted to widen the A303 which has a single track bit near stone henge which is always a traffic jam. They agreed (at the request of English Heritage I believe) to make a big tunnel for the bit of the road near stone henge so that the view of the road didn't spoil people's enjoyment of the stones.

Which is a massive shame - it is such a joy to see Stonehenge as you drive by.

Harvestfestivalknickers · 19/06/2024 22:19

brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr · 19/06/2024 22:12

People who care about the planet’s future also do that. There’s more than one approach.

Yep, thankfully there are people who care about the planet standing for parliament. But I'm not aware of any of the JSO rabble?

SocoBateVira · 19/06/2024 22:20

It would be more logical and sympathetic if they targeted OPEC countries but that might come at some personal risk and cost, so they won't do it.

Yep! Imagine trying this sort of shit in Saudi Arabia.

Fireyflies · 19/06/2024 22:23

ThursdayTomorrow · 19/06/2024 22:18

Which is a massive shame - it is such a joy to see Stonehenge as you drive by.

I agree, I always like seeing the stones as I drive down there. It was even better before they removed the direct road from the A303, as we used to stop for a coffee there. Now you have to drive 2 miles away from the road, go to a visitor centre and get on a bus to see the stones!

cupcaske123 · 19/06/2024 22:26

Fireyflies · 19/06/2024 22:21

No it's bleeding not! It took me 30 seconds to double check the unlikely sounding idea that they would try to tunnel under the actual stones. https://stonehengealliance.org.uk/a303-stonehenge-references/a303-stonehenge-consultation-2018/a303-stonehenge-scheme-images/

Why would you believe something like that and not take the time to check whether it's correct?

It's moving the A303 under part of the site. I didn't say it was going under the stones!

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