To not offer two types of beef burger at summer fair (halal and non halal)?

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In addition a veggie option?

I’ve took responsibility for sorting the burgers for BBQ at summer school PTA fair.
I was thinking, I can buy all burgers as halal only. A good portion of the school population are either non-religious or Muslim.

However, DH is saying we should also offer a non-halal burger option (he is religious - Sikh and avoids halal due to his beliefs). However I think he is a minority and could have veggie? There are Hindus but they wouldn’t eat beef anyway so it’s a tiny amount of people other than DH who I think would care if we go full halal for the burgers.

IMO one type of beef burger that is suitable for most would be easiest. AIBU?

I have seen this sign before!

Is ''Halal'' what it means?

You don't get to tell me what's moral and what's not. I think it's diabolic to normalise alcohol to your children. And it's even worse to serve them this poison in your own home. This is much worse to me than anything 'halal', hence I can't take people seriously when they tolerate these kind of things, but take an issue with halal meat. This is MY opinion.

You are trying to tell everyone else what’s moral though.

Don’t want to drink alcohol, then don’t. But it is a perfectly normal thing to do.

So you’re basically saying that most people who take Christian communion are immoral? Just to be clear?

No, I'm not. I'm expressing my opinion of what I think is immoral. I have never said YOU should think it's immoral to drink, too.

Where I have said this?

That means at least three Barbecues and fuel for them...as Vegetarians won't want their burgers tainted by meat, and Muslims won't want pork near their lamb or beef... It's not easy running a barbecue!.

It's immoral if you do not state what is what.

OPs specific objection was to the blessing of food, because it makes it religious meat. 1 to 1 blessing clearly imparts way more blessings per gram. 🙄

But pp is okay with that because it's not a bad use of time and motion

Well it’s a bit like saying most people are meat eaters do I’m just buying all meat burgers…..
or we live in an area where most people are vegans so there won’t be any meat or animal products on offer!
My exhusband was a huge meat eater, he worked in a country that ate halal and he refused to eat it!…. Won’t eat halal here either….
Kinning animals for meat is sad (I am a meat eater btw) but making it quick and painless should surely be a priority?!….
Halal is where the animals throat is slit and the animal bleeds to death, sometimes slowly and painfully! I wouldn’t touch it!!

I hope you have gluten free buns, as the need to eat gluten free is actually a real dietary requirement based on someone's medical needs, and not some made up bollocks that always involves worshipping some bloke.

What a disgusting thing to suggest.

OP: I would expect that you should cater for veggie/non veggie, and there should be volunteers from said religions to deal with their meat.

As opposed to what? Killing an animal is killing an animal.
All slaughter is barbaric!

Agree, killing animals is killing them however much you try to justify yourself that your way of killing them is "better" and therefore ok.

Many people won't eat halal due to animal welfare concerns YABU

Weird opinion, I personally can’t stand animal abuse.

it’s up to individuals whether they drink, there is nothing immoral about having a glass of beer. Sacrificing an animal to a non- existent god is immoral however.

And some methods are more barbaric than others. I don’t understand why the OP doesn’t just use veggie burgers for all.

Immoral for religious people, but if you're not, it's a white lie like when you tell the kids that "oh there are no vegetables in that spag bol" when there are. If it's about safety like allergens then of course you don't lie.

Ah yes, I am sure the non-halal beef burgers being served at a school BBQ event will be of the highest quality in terms animal welfare.

If you care about animal welfare, don’t eat mass produced burgers, people!

‘Sacrificing an animal to a non-existent god’? Are you alright?

They’re literally saying a prayer to thank the animal for giving it’s life to feed people as I understand it. No sacrifice, just showing gratitude.

The methods of slaughter in most cases are no less humane than standard meat production. The issue (for most) is the industrial nature of it rather than the slaughter because actually a lot of the animals who are slaughtered for non halal meat die horrific deaths because the ‘stunning’ methods don’t always work when done quickly.

I used to believe the bollocks about halal meat till I listened to a group of abattoir inspectors talking about their experience and all said they would rather eat halal than non-halal because the treatment of the animals was so much better. I then read about it a bit and to be honest I can’t understand why someone wouldn't eat it if they eat meat anyway.

I have worked on a school bbq and you are much better off limiting to either vegan and beef burgers (marked non-halal if you think lots will ask) or at a push, offering hot dogs, beef burgers and vegan but honestly I would stick to 2 choices. 3 grills/sets of utensils is a right faff and you can cross-contaminate otherwise you might as well not offering a choice. We tried lamb burgers one year but sold more beef burgers to Muslims so not worth it. We cook the vegan burgers in trays over the grill to avoid cross contamination and use green handles utensils so it doesn’t get confused. If you’re offering vegan as opposed to veggie burgers check your buns don’t contain dairy (brioche for example). You can’t cater to everybody but if you have a sizeable Muslim community then I do think you need to take into account their dietary requirements.

If they eat other massed produced meat products, then they are hypocrites. Anyone who really cared about animal welfare wouldn't.

OP - do advance orders - sell tickets where people request their order and then redeem it on the day. Means you're not going to get stuck with a stockpile of burgers of whatever variety was less in demand.

Or just follow what was done previously (which is the way most school fete stuff goes) and then run far away from the PTA.

Well, I think it's extremely weird for people to care more about animals than their own children ingesting poison. And I think it's very weird that people condone all sorts of degeneracy in society, but take an issue with halal slaughter and meat.

In the end of the day, you don't have to care about what I find weird and I certainly don't care about what you find weird.

IMHO, it's fine to not eat halal/kosher/etc. meat because you don't like the fact that its halal/kosher/etc. or what goes into it. I personally don't eat factory farmed eggs or chicken because I consider it an extremely cruel (and unhealthy) way of raising food.

However, I don't expect that preference to be catered for at public events, so I just don't eat eggs or chicken at places where it is (or likely to be) factory-farmed. I opt for fish or the veggie option.