To not offer two types of beef burger at summer fair (halal and non halal)?

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In addition a veggie option?

I’ve took responsibility for sorting the burgers for BBQ at summer school PTA fair.
I was thinking, I can buy all burgers as halal only. A good portion of the school population are either non-religious or Muslim.

However, DH is saying we should also offer a non-halal burger option (he is religious - Sikh and avoids halal due to his beliefs). However I think he is a minority and could have veggie? There are Hindus but they wouldn’t eat beef anyway so it’s a tiny amount of people other than DH who I think would care if we go full halal for the burgers.

IMO one type of beef burger that is suitable for most would be easiest. AIBU?

Despite what this thread looks like even if there's a thousand people there there's only gonna be about 4 people who, on moral grounds, really wouldn't eat halal or veggie so forget em, they don't feature in the effective planning of a BBQ.

Being Sikh I would never eat halal although I am sure I have unintentionally eaten it in restaurants, even though I usually ask beforehand

Yeah don't do this, you may end up sued.

Sounds quite a lot like the UK at the moment, TBH.

Most halal meat, almost certainly all of it sold through mainstream channels like the big supermarkets will have been pre-stunned. Whether the methods of stunning are humane or not is a different question but if it's pre-stunned then I don't think it's any different in animal welfare terms to what the rest of us eat.

It's Halal because the relevant prayers were said. Even my DP, a devout atheist wouldn't let that worry her. I understand that Sikhism might have an issue on theological grounds but that's not a welfare issue.

How many of the posters on here saying that they would never eat halal, actually check? Most restaurants don't declare on the menu if the meat they are using is halal, do you ask?

You might be surprised if you look it up. All pizza express restaurants use halal chicken, a fifth of Nando's, 100 KFC stores, selected subway stores etc. If you have a blanket ban on halal, you really should be checking every time you eat somewhere.

^^^This.

There are two reasons to eat meat while avoiding halal meat:

• An attitude to animal welfare that doesn't oppose the systematic raising of meat for slaughter, but makes a particular point about the last couple of seconds of the animal's life. Seems a bit niche to me, but OK.
• Islamophobia. (Kosher slaughter is a less humane process by any objective standard than halal slaughter, but you can find people online arguing that only halal is particularly bad because er er reasons.)

Full disclosure: I eat meat and I have made my peace with the whole process. I have decided that to worry specifically about the degree to which the animal may or may not be unconscious during the slaughtering process would be a bit hypocritical. Also I eat fish, whose death by asphyxiation in a net is, I imagine, pretty horrible too.

Random: I know someone who is a vegan for ethical reasons (as opposed to, say, CO2 reasons). Apparently it's OK because closed-shell shellfish have no central nervous system and don't feel pain.

Kosher meat isn’t routinely sold in restaurants, to be fair. It’s expensive!

When they did straight away? Sorry Hun but you eat halal every day

@violetposie I do check whether the meat is halal when eating out, but sometimes you have to take their word for it. If eating at pizza express, I would order a veggie or pepperoni pizza. I know which restaurants locally are halal or not, but sometimes they change their suppliers without notice so a restaurant I thought was non-halal for years suddenly becomes halal. I avoid curry houses as they are 99% always halal.

Hun the vast majority of the meat is killed.in halal.jusy not called halal

@PinkCritic where's your source?

@OneTC

OP didn't mention blessings. And I didn't say anything about blessed meat either. Halal is not only blessing - it is the way the animal is slaughtered - For meat to be certified halal, it must be slaughtered in a manner known as dhabiha. That means cutting through the jugular vein, carotid artery, and windpipe in order to drain all blood from the carcass.

Two options are fine. Anything else is ridiculous for a stall run by volunteers at a school fete. The other option is not to buy a burger- it's not obligatory to eat food while you are there.

We didn't even used to do veggie burgers at one point. The options were cheese or no cheese!

The burgers and sausages were from the butchers though, very good quality and delicious.

The reasons Sikhs don’t can’t shouldn’t eat halal is because of the blessings and her dh is Sikh. So actually the whole thread was really about the blessing not the stun v non stun.

What a hassle. Can't you just do veggie burgers for veggies/religious requirement & then beef or chicken burgers for the rest? We also have a really high muslim population at DD's school & everything is veggie on the school lunch menu I.e. quorn hot dogs/sausage roll/quorn chicken burgers. She doesn't like any of it so doesn't eat it, but I understand from a religious perspective its essential for lots of kids at her school.

A lot of veggie alternatives that are made cheaply like for example those served in a school are of really low quality so it's not surprising she doesn't like it. What a shame children are being served rubbish on religious grounds, in a society that operates on the assumption that there is no god and no reason for this nonsense.

@OneTC

Sikhs just dont eat halal because of the blessing - Halal Meat is considered a sin for Sikhs to eat due to the way the animal is slaughtered.

Depends what type of halal really.
halal burgers do not have to declare on their labelling if they are from no stun slaughtered animals.
A lot of people, I think, would be against eating meat from an animal that had its throat cut whilst fully conscious so I think you should provide non halal meat as well.
Lets not forget Christians and other religions won’t necessarily be in favour of animals prayed over from a religion they do not follow.

Is it really your choice to make that decision for people.

If you chose to only provide for some people and not others expecting some to eat vegetarian because they can then why not just provided vegetarian for everyone on the basis no one has a moral problem with them.

Looking at it that way then I think, yes, provide for everyone.

This is not true re pre-stunning.
Supermarkets ie Sainsburies Tesco and Marks for example do not label their halal meat from no stun slaughter.

This is still the best response. Even if you stick up a sign that says halal are people going to ask for evidence. As long as they believe it to be true then ignorance is bliss. Its not like its an allergy thing its all in the head.

At a family bbq my brother in law cooked the veggie burgers on the same grill as the beef same tongs and everything. The veggies were not the wiser and noone died

Supermarkets don’t label the form of slaughter used in their meat.
We really have no idea what in our food and on the shelves.

This advice is appalling!
It shows a complete disregard for people.

That’s completely different obviously.
Unless kids are morally against eating vegetables.

This simply isn’t true
There are 28 no stun slaughter houses for halal sheep in the uk alone.