To not offer two types of beef burger at summer fair (halal and non halal)?

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In addition a veggie option?

I’ve took responsibility for sorting the burgers for BBQ at summer school PTA fair.
I was thinking, I can buy all burgers as halal only. A good portion of the school population are either non-religious or Muslim.

However, DH is saying we should also offer a non-halal burger option (he is religious - Sikh and avoids halal due to his beliefs). However I think he is a minority and could have veggie? There are Hindus but they wouldn’t eat beef anyway so it’s a tiny amount of people other than DH who I think would care if we go full halal for the burgers.

IMO one type of beef burger that is suitable for most would be easiest. AIBU?

who goes to a BBQ expecting not to be able to have a burger?

huh?

A burger being vegetarian doesn't stop it being a burger you melt 😂

Yes I am ‘getting used to it’, even at restaurants. My allergies didn’t come on until later in life, so aren’t something I’ve always lived with.

But a BBQ is usually fairly easy to manage, so I’m pointing out that the one size suits all response of ‘have the veggie option’ is not actually a feasible alternative. And it’s already incredibly alienating to have allergies.

I don’t see why there can’t be non-halal and halal options personally.

She didn't tell you to shut up, stop lying.

The OP has not said no disclosure. She said she will just buy Halal meat and those who object to it can have the veggie option on the basis the majority of meat eaters will have Halal. Muslims will always check meat before eating it so if she disclosed nothing, they would assume it is not suitable and not eat it.

I completely disagree with the second point. If you are eating an animal that has been bred, raised and killed for meat then you are engaging in a practice which is cruel and unnecessary. No matter how quickly the animal is killed, pain is inflicted by killing for human consumption. Whether inflicted for more or less time, the animal still experiences pain. And consumption is not necessary as there is no shortage of food without killing said animal. It is very much moral high ground if you choose to eat meat

No. 1 beef, 1 veggie. No one is being forced with a gun to their head to buy a burger, anyone who doesn’t want either of those can simply not eat it

Classy!

A vegetarian burger cannot be eaten in many cases if one has a soy allergy (which is what I was referring to).

I’ll refrain from name calling though.
You're welcome.

As a vegetarian, it is something I have lived with all my life. I have always had my own supply of food in case there is no option for me or it has run out. BBQs are the one place I was never catered for growing up - I can't remember eating at a single one as a child as the very few that did have veggie options cooked them on the same grill as the meat. Things are very different now for vegetarian and vegan diets which is a good thing but one size is never going to suit all.

All options are a pain for the organisers when it is a charity event. I have always just accepted it is what it is and been prepared.

I didn’t say it was aimed at me, it was said to another poster called VisitationRights, but it’s rude whoever it’s said to.

Good comment.

Did you also have a go at @iamtheblcksheep for telling me to shut?

Didn't think so.

No, I won’t stop, if you don’t want to engage, fine then stop tagging me. I am not saying things in ignorance. The UAE has reformed somewhat but you still can’t seek an abortion there unless the mother’s life is at risk or due to foetal abnormalities. But there are a plethora of other human rights issues in the UAE, they still do poorly on the human rights indexes. Pakistan has improved on women’s right but UN report from last year still says they have a ways to go.

It's a school fair, you're never going to be able to provide a lot of choice, there will be too many leftovers and a less profit. Beefburgers and a veggie option seems plenty.

People with allergies often bring their own food too. In this particular case, it might be worth creating a whatsapp poll in group chats with few options to get an idea what people would prefer??

Any comments on the US going backwards with Roe vs Wade?

Didn't think so.

No halal meat whatsoever. If they don’t want them, they can eat at home.

Do you think a similar event in a Muslim country would be having this dilemma?

Why always deflecting to the USA? Are you anti-American? You really are a bit obsessed with replying to me.

The amount of ignorance on here is astounding. It's clear most people who refuse halal meat have an issue with Muslims, rather than an issue with the ethics of eating meat.

How so ? The only comments I’ve seen are to do with the way in which Halal meat is slaughtered. There are similarities between the slaughter methods for both Halal and Kosher. Doesn’t mean people have an issue with Jewish people. The issue here isn’t faith, it’s choice. And having an opinion one way or the other doesn’t make you racist.

Blimey - not see so much religious bigotry, hatred and and intolerance in one thread for a while. And some veggie and vegan bashing too.

Really horrible to read.

The majority of halal is stunned in the UK, its over 80%. So no, most don’t choose the non-stun method for halal

Rescinding Roe v Wade is an attack on the rights of every woman in the USA. As a result many states have introduced draconian measures, including bringing criminal charges against women who miscarry or have still births, and prosecuting the doctors who care for them. Some states are also cracking down on various methods of birth control, including the morning after pill.

So it’s a fair comparison.

This.

The issue with doing this type of event, is that you end up making your own life a lot harder (and there is the risk of screwing it up by forgetting and using the wrong utensils).

You should offer a meat option and a veggie option. Thats your basic minimum.

Your choice then is either to go halal for all the meat OR to go to non-halal for all the meat.

Then that gives the choice for those who take issue either way.

My considerations here would be the cost difference for halal v non-halal and who your target market is.

You are doing the event to make the most money possible.

You will always sell significantly less veggie burgers, as people are less likely to switch.

So for me it would ultimately come down to what % of your target market will be Muslim. If its a lot, ultimately there will be fewer people who don't want halal. If its only a few Muslims, then your shift more burgers for greater profit if you go no-halal.

Your husband's personal preference shouldn't come into this. This is a numbers game to make money.

If you piss about with halal / non-halal burgers its more equipment, more people to man your stalls and more risk. AND you risk having shedloads of burgers of the wrong type left at the end that you can't shift.

(Yes I have done lots of this type of stuff for charity before - never lose sight of the fact that its about making as much money for as little hassle as possible. You want to keep people happy, but there are limitations to pleasing everyone - as in you will never please everyone the whole time, so accept this and move on).

Over 80% are killed 'humanely'?

Oh that makes it OK then! The other 20% can just get screwed. All in the name of religion.

It's disgusting and I want nothing to do with it.

Because as I said in my post, non halal slaughter isn't ethical either. So caring about one but not the other, shows a prejudice towards Muslims rather than a genuine concern about ethics and animal cruelty.
If people have an issue with kosher meat due to the "ethics" but not with non kosher meat I would be saying they clearly have an issue with Judaism rather than ethics. But we're not talking about kosher meat.

YAB massively U.

I do not want to eat halal, and I also don't want to be left with the veggie option either.

I'm already fed up with a lot of places only serving halal chicken, meaning my only option is beef (if I want meat), without it happening to the beef option, too.

Why not do normal non halal beef burgers, halal chicken burgers and a veggie option, or halal beef, normal non halal chicken, and a veggie option? That at least gives meat eaters a non halal option.

This is sound advice.