To not offer two types of beef burger at summer fair (halal and non halal)?

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In addition a veggie option?

I’ve took responsibility for sorting the burgers for BBQ at summer school PTA fair.
I was thinking, I can buy all burgers as halal only. A good portion of the school population are either non-religious or Muslim.

However, DH is saying we should also offer a non-halal burger option (he is religious - Sikh and avoids halal due to his beliefs). However I think he is a minority and could have veggie? There are Hindus but they wouldn’t eat beef anyway so it’s a tiny amount of people other than DH who I think would care if we go full halal for the burgers.

IMO one type of beef burger that is suitable for most would be easiest. AIBU?

Could you also offer a chicken burger?

Hiya,

sorry for all the political responses on your simple question!

I am Muslim and it is very sweet that you have considered this as your school is mostly either non-religious or Muslim.

What I would suggest is either having;

• non halal and a veggie option
• halal and veggie
• halal, veggie

Any are acceptable becuase im pretty sure most of the people (other than muslims and relgious people) will not care about where the beef burgers come from as loads of people shop from tescos.

It is very kind of you to consider everyones wishes.

best of luck <3

I don't understand these people commenting "no need for halal meat" when the majority of the school is muslim. I can smell islamophobes on this post. Lots of the meat in the UK is halal anyway just isn't advertised as halal!
Just sell the halal and the vegetarian option, and if anyone has any moral issues they can go with the veggie.

And you and 1415isgreat sound like sulky teenagers.Telling posters to shut up and they’re boring, and ignorant.Pathetic.

Okay I am a Muslim woman living in the UK. Tell me, since you know so much, which rights am I lacking?

It honestly isn’t. I have food allergies and intolerances and have to be careful to know what I’m eating. A beef burger I’m usually fine with, but I’m allergic to soy and nuts for example, amongst other ingredients, so no, a vegetarian alternative is not an acceptable alternative and who goes to a BBQ expecting not to be able to have a burger?

DH & I are the same. We're both white British, get our chicken from Halal store as its not injected with water like supermarket chicken.

IMO Halal is no more brutal than non Halal.

In this event as the majority of attendees are Muslim it would be logical to serve Halal burgers plus vegetarian options.

What is served in restaurants and schools is irrelevant. It’s the principle. The OP is proposing to serve Halal meat to everyone with no disclosure, for no better reason than it’s easier. That’s unacceptable. Those of us who have a moral objection to Halal food would never knowingly consume it - why are our concerns irrelevant ?

And the issue with the Halal process isn’t about the moral high ground. By its nature animal slaughter is brutal, but the absence of stunning in Halal slaughter, deliberately allowing the animal to bleed out fully aware, is cruel and unnecessary. Our family has links to the farming community and the questionable ‘information’ on the processes in abattoirs is not our experience.

Tell us what you decide to do OP
All these kind of do’s are a minefield, allergies, intolerances and preferences abound as well.

Try being on the receiving end of ‘oh Muslim women have no rights’ ‘muslim women are oppressed’ ‘muslim women this and that’

The truth is, no matter how much we try explaining NOT ALL WOMEN and NOT ALL MUSLIMS, people really don’t care or have any intention to change their preconceptions/misconceptions and are quite fixed in their views. So yes, it does get boring to hear as if somebody has made their mind up about something, then great, believe what you want. But that is not enough for them, and they must bring the hatred to an online forum where they can continue repeating the same things. Boring. Zzz.

That's a fair point, CountryBear, and I do realise the stuff that goes into veggie burgers can also be an issue for some - proof perhaps that nothing provided is ever going to suit everyone

How disrespectful

That's a can of worms . They might want non halal vegetables and water too next 😂

Contrary to what many assume, an estimated 88% of animals killed by halal methods in Britain are stunned before slaughter.

Now, there are scientific studies claiming studding the animal actually increases shock and pain.

The only difference between how we kill our animals and halal is blessings and treatment to animals beforehand. In order for animals to be halal they have to be treated as God intended; a cow a free range cow etc...

Halal food is not as barbaic as people believe and you would be shocked how we handle our livestock quite frankly.

I am assumimg this is BBQ stall where people who wish to have a burger pay for one? (As opposed to everyone at the event will be given one).

In thos case you dont need to worry about meeting all requirememts. People who have specific requirement/dont like whats on offer will just spend their money elsewhere

Is halal meat really all free range? I have noticed halal chicken in the supermarket is cheaper than free range.

As a meat eater I recognise there is no "humane" way to.kill the food I eat. Sad but true.

The amount of ignorance on here is astounding. It's clear most people who refuse halal meat have an issue with Muslims, rather than an issue with the ethics of eating meat. The ethics in the British meat market are pretty poor.

With non halal meat, red meat animals are restrained and stunned by a captive bolt gun. This gun fires a heavy metal bolt to the skull. The failure rate is >10% on the first shot. If the stunning fails, the animal can see what is happening around it, it can smell the environment and sense the danger. It is captive and afraid, and in pain when it's stunned the second time. IF the second time is successful.

I am not Muslim but after learning about ethics in the British meat market, I actually eat halal meat out of choice. For meat to be truly halal, the animal must be raised with love and care. It must lead a healthy life that is free from suffering, it must eat a natural diet containing no animal byproducts. For slaughter the animal must be cut through it's neck arteries and jugular veins. The instrument must be very sharp to ensure humane slaughter.

Even though the method of killing seems cruel, even if an animal isn't stunned, the animal will be unconscious and unaware almost instantly and it will take seconds for the animal to die.

I would personally rather be killed that way, instead of having a significant risk of being scared and in pain and having to watch my friends and family be killed while I wait for someone's second attempt to end my life.

There you go, you live in a liberal democracy, you have equal human rights. Not so for women living in Saudi, UAE, Iran, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Malaysia, etc. Nice self own.

You can seek emergency contraception if you wish in what form you wish, you can vote, you can go out without the permission or accompaniment of a male relative, you can choose how you dress, you can freely marry or divorce who you want, you can go to school, you can get a job, you can drive. All of these rights are curtailed to some extent in Muslim countries.

The thread of messages you are responding to had to do with my statement that I will not visit a Muslim country because they do not align with my moral values.

As someone with allergies and intolerances are you not used to not being able to eat at events? When it is a small volunteer run event, they will cater for the majority in the easiest possible way, usually to raise money for charity.
Catering for every dietary requirement is never going to happen. If the demographic suits the majority eating a veggie burger, this is what they would make

Once you start telling posters on forums to ‘shut up, you’re boring’ then you’ve lost both the argument and the moral high ground.

What does the school itself serve? If they serve Halal and veggie at school, I'd do the same at the fair. If they serve non-Halal meat at school, that's probably what I'd do at the fair too.

So you can argue on established democracies and countries where they are struggling due to political instability.

Where does religion come in then? What has islam got to do with weak democracies?

Well in that case, a can of worms with ketchup it is.😂

My friend lives in the UAE. She can do ALL of these things too? Yes the issues exist, but to different extents. I know some people in Pakistan that can do the same, and some that can’t. So please do stop generalising.

You're overthinking this tbh.

Anyone can have a veggie burger, halal kosher, vegetarian. Make it a vegan burger and you've covered literally everyone with one buger. Aldi do a BRILLIANT vegan burger in the freezer, indistinguishable from meat.

If you really want to offer meat just get halal meat burgers and then vegan burgers for everyone else. Anyone whinging about not being able to have a halal meat burger at a barbecue can organise their own food to bring.

Not really fair on you to be expected to source a meat halal, meat non-halal, a vegetarian burger and a vegan burger. Just get stuff everyone can eat.