To not offer two types of beef burger at summer fair (halal and non halal)?

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In addition a veggie option?

I’ve took responsibility for sorting the burgers for BBQ at summer school PTA fair.
I was thinking, I can buy all burgers as halal only. A good portion of the school population are either non-religious or Muslim.

However, DH is saying we should also offer a non-halal burger option (he is religious - Sikh and avoids halal due to his beliefs). However I think he is a minority and could have veggie? There are Hindus but they wouldn’t eat beef anyway so it’s a tiny amount of people other than DH who I think would care if we go full halal for the burgers.

IMO one type of beef burger that is suitable for most would be easiest. AIBU?

A crime against humanity, free speech and women's rights can be committed anywhere in the world regardless of religion and country. You sound ignorant!.

Sorry this is meant for @VisitationRights

The issue with it I guess is you are picking to what favour one religion. As your own husband couldn’t eat a meat burger due to the prayer rituals. All religions should be included or non tbh. So meat options for all or veggie only 🤷🏻‍♀️

You are rude and sound like you can’t accept the truth.

There are many restaurants in areas where there is a high muslim population that serve just Halal meat. Schools are often similar. You just cater your offerings to the majority you are catering for - there is a veggie option for anyone who does not want the meat.

Anyone who eats an animal that has been bred and killed for the sole purpose of human consumption when there no shortage of plant-based food is in no position to take the moral high ground. If you genuinely care about animal welfare, you would not choose to eat the animal

Well your neighbours are breaking the law then @ilikecatsandponies
From the government guidance on slaughtering your own animals:
"Slaughter without stunning in accordance with religious rites can only take place in an approved slaughterhouse."
"You could be prosecuted if you do not follow the rules in this guide."
If they are classed as small scale suppliers rather than slaughtering solely for their own use then they must be licensed and would be very likely to lose that licence if they were caught slaughtering without stunning.
We used to be part of a cooperative that raised our own high welfare pork and looked at slaughtering at home but it is not at all straightforward.

I will say the same to you, you sound very ignorant if you think that women’s rights in liberal democracies are compromised at any level like they are in muslim majority countries.

How are women's rights compromised in muslim democracies?

You definitely should have Halal if the most common religion in school is Muslim.
I think veggie and halal meat is a good compromise. You'd need three separate work areas and parts of the grill if you went for non halal as well, which is extra hassle.

LGB rights, women’s rights, fair and free elections, right to political discourse and opposition to the government, free speech. Most muslim countries fail on every human rights index, even the UAE. I will not support regimes that go against so many of my principles.

I mean if we're getting into that subject then yes that's one reason not to, but we do have a very large muslim population now and seem to cater to the whims of minorities be it religious or sexuality, whether that's right or wrong..
It's death by a thousand cuts in that sense. Since people are laying down and just taking the continuing intense cultural influx I'm not sure there's much we can do. I don't see it changing any time soon either, as the population who does eat halal grows, so even if we take a stand with our purses, it won't really show on profit side.

In this particular situation I'd still just provide halal and not label it as such, and only tell if asked. Although now I'm sparing it a second thought, maybe I'd go non halal and veggie option, but that's if I had the energy to "make a point". All in all at a school fair I'd want everyone to be happy so maybe the extra cost of 2 meats and the veggie. I do get it though.

This is why I won’t be joining the PTA. So much drama over a BBQ stall 😂

100% agree

Mmmm, but so do many other non muslim countries, will you be avoiding those too?

Need i really point it out to you these issues exist in western democracies too????!!!!

You can close you eyes and stay put in your principles but rest assured everyone is a human first before anything and any crime can be committed against any human anywhere in the world.

Guess you are probably boycotting USA too as apparently elections have been rigged there in the past too.

If you just serve vegan burgers everyone can opt to eat them (unless allergies obviously).
That’s the kindest option.

I’d be very disappointed if there wasn’t an alternative to halal, and due to a range of intolerances/allergies I’d need to know exactly what was in a veggie burger as many are stuffed full of rubbish I can’t eat.

I have no issue with halal being served, but no, I would not like to be forced to eat that or go without.

Where are the different religions on eating fish? Would that give a choice.
My experience of cheap mass produced Vegan anything is that it is mostly foul and horrible texture. Home made can be acceptable.

To everyone obsessing about where people would take their holidays 🙄🙄 surely we ALL choose destinations based on lots of reasons, including ethical ones.

Would you all visit Russia? North Korea? No? Why on earth not??

I agree and neither will I.

Yes. I wouldn't bother with halal. Just have beef killed humanely and vegetarian. Job done.

This is true, but then buying the vegetarian version is equally an option for anyone who'd rather avoid non-halal meat

After all, eating veggie or going without is what many do when attending an event run by vegetarins, and at least here there's a choice

Please inform yourself on stunning practices. Stunning animals has been scientifically proven to cause more pain and distress. And they still get their throat slit.

The RSPCA says slaughter without pre-stunning causes "unnecessary suffering".

Halal has multiple rules to be halal; which includes animals living as that animal (free range), not to be killed infront of other animals (to reduce stress).

You are ill-informed.

Me too.

I don't get the angst. If it's a Muslim majority school then serve halal burgers and veggie burgers. No point faffing with loads of different grills if there's no need. Is it Muslim majority? If not, then I would serve the other way round. Non halal burgers and veggie burgers. If its 50/50 I would do halal and veggie because in the real world, I don't think many people are bothered about the difference in slaughter. I am but then I eat meat so do I have a leg to stand on? I'd just pick the veggie burger with no complaints.
Go with the majority to make your life easier 🤷‍♀️.
Just make it simple, you are volunteering to do this and that's very kind of you.