To not offer two types of beef burger at summer fair (halal and non halal)?

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In addition a veggie option?

I’ve took responsibility for sorting the burgers for BBQ at summer school PTA fair.
I was thinking, I can buy all burgers as halal only. A good portion of the school population are either non-religious or Muslim.

However, DH is saying we should also offer a non-halal burger option (he is religious - Sikh and avoids halal due to his beliefs). However I think he is a minority and could have veggie? There are Hindus but they wouldn’t eat beef anyway so it’s a tiny amount of people other than DH who I think would care if we go full halal for the burgers.

IMO one type of beef burger that is suitable for most would be easiest. AIBU?

Vegan burgers are suitable for everyone: halal, kosher, sikhs, vegetarian, meat eater....

I don't eat meat, haven't for 20 years. I don't particularly want to eat meat, but one of the things that would put me off is that it's impossible to avoid unstunned slaughter methods, because so much of it is unlabelled.

I really don't give a shit if prayers were said during the slaughter process. I really care about animal welfare - and I retain that concern whether or not I'm eating it.

For what it's worth, the Jewish branch of my family chooses to be vegetarian because it removes the vast majority of requirements around kosher dietary laws.

I work with food and have many visibly Muslim customers. I have noticed that they don't ask "is it halal" they'll ask "is it vegetarian" - though I do have to point out at that stage that one of the desserts on the menu is vegetarian but not halal due to alcohol.

Slightly off-topic but for those saying no hot dogs as many folk don't eat pork, a lot of them are actually made with chicken.

We go to so much effort to cater for food choices based on moral/religious grounds, yet we still only provide our kids with food that’s bad for them at such events. Are you catering for celiacs, or those with allergies?

I would do normal Beef & Veggie. Option for all that way.

I would recommend Beyond Burgers.

I haven't eaten meat for many years so I don't trust my own ability to compare meat and non meat options.

My partner, on the other hand, is omnivorous and tells me they're indistinguishable.

The other brands that pass muster with him as being indistinguishable are Quorn nugget, Richmond meat free sausages (if you're aiming for the cheap pork sausage taste) and This Isn't Pork sausages (the regular ones, the caramelised onion ones are a bit too sweet). Actually the entire This Isn't range is pretty good.

There are some crap meat replacements on the market, but there are some really really good ones now (cheese replacements are another story, don't bother, they might have cracked it in ten years though!)

@PrincessTeaSet Thats interesting information. But to be fair most male orientated environments are often like that. Obviously its not something I was aware of (how could I be?)
Do I refuse to eat meat because Im a feminist and there might be page 3 girls on the slaughterhouse wall? - Dont be ridiculous.

Halal is the method of killing not the animal.

I think you’ve called it totally correct.

Consciously or unconsciously, halal receives a totally disproportionate backlash compared to eg kosher, and the level of ‘morality’ policing is absolutely bonkers considering the very well documented and proven terror experienced by farmed animals both pre and prior to slaughter in both halal and non halal cases.

Not for me to tell someone their decision to consume meat/meat products is correct or incorrect, it’s a personal decision, but it’s absolutely nonsensical to present the halal aspect as the critical factor in terms of cruelty - the phrase ‘humane slaughter’ is a complete oxymoron and the idea a contradiction in terms!

I think Mumsnet is a great indicator that you can't please everyone- buy the form of meat burger that is best for the majority (be it halal or no), then veggie for everyone else. If they don't like it, they can go get an ice cream.

My work canteen is not kosher, it’s halal.
I would feel similar if I was forced to eat kosher often without even knowing.

My dad is Sikh, he does not eat Halal because of the Sikh belief that sacrificing an animal in the name of God is ritualism.

My mum is Jewish so you can imagine how fun my dad is at parties!

Actually only types of stunning which cannot lead to death are allowed. Most reputable animal welfare organisations aren’t supportive of the way that halal meat is obtained.

Additionally, as the animal is sacrificed to a Muslim god, many might have ethical and religious issues round that element too.

it would be best just to serve the veggie burgers, that way no animal cruelty is supported at all.

This is showing how little you actually know.

Stunning is used in majority of Halal slaughter. To be Halal the stunning must be reversible is all, so if the animal isn't slaughtered it would return to full fitness.

This is a good example of illustrating who is most tolerant doesn't it?

Fun Fact: A majority of non-chain fast food / takeaways ONLY use halal chicken and beef. And then there's the chains including 1 in 5 KFC stores, 1 in 5 Nandos, 1 in 50 Pizza Huts, 1 in 10 Subways. Yet most people wouldn't know or even realise.

Burgers absolutely can contain eggs as some use eggs to "bind" them.

Genuine question, why? What's the problem with halal? I'm white and not religious and I don't care either way. I can't afford to buy free range as much as I'd like to go full organic and happy animals only, but I just can't. So id happily settle for whatever meat was offered, as long as it was real meat and not some kind of factory made substitute. I would follow the same logic as you OP - I thought non religious can eat whatever (depending on own ideologies), specific people want halal, so it might as well be halal. Correct me if I'm wrong please

My cousin (not Muslim) is a butcher in London. He sells to trade and says that most meat sold in London is halal, most shops and restaurants prefer it. If you eat meat you probably eat halal.
Chris Van Tulekan did a podcast about chicken which was interesting - about how people are interested in red tractor and buying British and maybe rspca approved or organic if it's a whole chicken, but as soon as it's a sandwich or a curry they don't care anymore and the chicken will have been raised on antibiotics in a shed in Thailand or Brazil or china somewhere with minimal animal welfare laws, before being kept in a deep freeze for months.
We have some neighbours raising high welfare meat who slaughter themselves on farm and they don't stun.
Often this isn't about halal, it's about something else.

@Wordsofprey if one single ideology can change how we produce ALL meat in this country, do you not wonder where that might lead in terms of other changes to our lifestyle and culture?

This is getting silly. Just buy halal but don't label it. If anyone asks tell them but non Muslims won't ask as they won't even think about it.

All these saying they won't eat halal probably don't understand what it means or will have eaten halal without knowing.

It makes no difference a burger is a burger. The last time I had a burger I have no idea whether it was halal or non halal as I didn't ask and don't care

Punjabi usually means Sikh, which means not Halal.

Oh shut up @VisitationRights you sound boring. So tired of people making out Muslim women have no rights yadayadaya.

I agree with this as well. Cater towards the majority, and what will generate more sales. It they don’t like it, they can lump it :)

? I’m not really sure I’ve seen any EDL comments.

Many ignorant ones regarding halal processes maybe, but barely EDL comments? Is that not a bit hyperbolic?

Yes why not? Interested to hear your reasons