To not offer two types of beef burger at summer fair (halal and non halal)?

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In addition a veggie option?

I’ve took responsibility for sorting the burgers for BBQ at summer school PTA fair.
I was thinking, I can buy all burgers as halal only. A good portion of the school population are either non-religious or Muslim.

However, DH is saying we should also offer a non-halal burger option (he is religious - Sikh and avoids halal due to his beliefs). However I think he is a minority and could have veggie? There are Hindus but they wouldn’t eat beef anyway so it’s a tiny amount of people other than DH who I think would care if we go full halal for the burgers.

IMO one type of beef burger that is suitable for most would be easiest. AIBU?

Sikhs are not to eat halal or kosher meat. They cannot eat meat killed in the name of God. They can eat meat if they want but never meat killed in the name of God.

Absolute bullshit, sorry.

RSPCA also says it’s fine to grind up baby chicks alive or to hang chickens upside down and dunk their heads in electrified water or to gas pigs (they scream in pain) so they aren’t exactly a good measure of treating animals well.

This. If only slaughter houses had windows.

Not where I am. Wolverhampton has quite a large Sikh population.

It's ridiculous to have to think like this - I'd get regular burgers and veggie burgers.

Otherwise you'll need more than one bbq and utensils etc.

When does it stop?

I would talk to your head teacher. This kind of thing is very much area/population dependant and the head will have an understanding of how it is taken in their school community. Making a wrong move could cause a big issue you don't want to get wrapped up in by fundraising.

No vegetarian cannot be cooked with meat! Halal or otherwise.

As a veggie I do think halal is worse that non halal as the reason I went veggie 29 years ago is animal welfare - it is a more cruel death. I am agnostic and the religious element is neither here or there for me.

Is it always a commercial decision though?
My work canteen is halal eventhough we have around 5% Muslims using it!

@ActivePeony please enlighten me... what part is bull shit exactly? I'm assuming you only buy organic free range meat. And when eating out also check with the restaurant where they get their meat from too....?

I have no religious requirements for food and have to admit I do not check how the meat I eat has been killed and I don't feel like i'm unusual in that respect, however for Muslims they would check.
My understanding is that food labelled as "Halal" must have been slaughtered / prepared in a specific way but without the label you probably have no idea how the animal was killed i'm therefore surprised at the amount of people who would never eat Halal meat as how are you sure that the meat you are eating was not killed in that way or even conditions which may have been worse?

Therefore I think it would be logical to offer Halal beef and veg but from these responses can see that may cause upset among the non-muslim customer base who may be less open to the vegetarian option.

I feel if I researched to far into animal slaughter I would probably end up becoming vegetarian!

I would go for whatever is easier for you - you are clearly very considerate and I would imagine when the BBQ is running and smelling great you will be popular with either combination of options.

I think just veggie or all three.

You can't just have halal and veggie. A lot of people object to halal on animal cruelty grounds, myself included.

I think cheap supermarket chicken is plumped with salt water. Apparently up to 20%! I don’t think they do that with halal meat.

Buy organic high welfare meat burgers and veggie burgers. That way the animals suffered the least. Price accordingly - cheap meat is paid for by abhorrent animal welfare standards, there's no way a £3 burgers was produced kindly.

This. A vegan burger will be genuinely suitable for all, and the optional toppings can be what determines whether the end result is halal/non-halal/vegetarian/vegan according to individual choice.
That way no-one is: offended / left out / repulsed - everyone happy - win win - lots of funds raised.

What is your reaction to the Christian's you know saying they will pray for you whenever something is wrong?

People wanting to eat Halal could go for the vegetarian option.

I do not want a part of islamic rituals and shouldn’t be forced to have vegetarian to avoid it. The default should be non-religious with those with religious requirements compromising on veggie.

there is zero reason not to stun- but most choose the non stun method in the UK. In some countries it is illegal not to stun, but in the UK, it is.

I recently ran the bbq for school sports day. We sold over 200 burgers over 100 sausages and six veggie burgers. There was a lot of waste. Veggie burgers are generally unpopular. I wonder if it makes sense to do a 3rd option though Halal burgers plus sausage or a hotdog type thing and veggie option.

Absolutely find it very uncomfortable and will say so.

Tbh I don't see any reason not to offer halal and non-halal burgers. It's not more difficult to buy them. It's little effort to have two separate areas for cooking and serving. It's a non-event.

I had to cook a Thai curry for thirty-plus people in a marquee with limited equipment last week. One veggie, two gluten free. All got a full meal as per their requirements. I've never cooked for such large numbers in my life.

Are you not getting halal and non halal sausages?

@TicklishLemonHiker There is talk of possibly doing sausages or hotdogs as another if we have a spare BBQ (someone else would sort these). But most likely they would be pork, so no.

In the interests of balance, this is an article by a Muslim organic farmer who describes how good abattoirs work.
https://sustainablefoodtrust.org/news-views/demystifying-halal/

This is a summary proposal from the Royal Veterinary College about how to make stunning of animals prior to slaughter more humane. the relevant bit of this is the section which explains why the research is needed https://www.rvc.ac.uk/Media/Default/Research/documents/Studies%20to%20assess%20and%20improve%20the%20humaneness%20of%20stunning%20methods%20for%20poultry.pdf

Bottom line for those who don’t want to click the links is that there is a lot of misunderstanding about Halal meat and a lot of selective blindness to how ALL meat is slaughtered. The issue isn’t Halal v non Halal. It’s the industrial nature of meat production and how this impacts of animal
welfare.

If you disagree with animals being slaughtered without stunning, be selective about where you buy meat from or don’t eat it.

Why would a meat burger contain eggs and flour? Burgers should contain meat and a bit of seasoning. local butcher provided ours for sports day and they were really nice. gluten free obviously