To not offer two types of beef burger at summer fair (halal and non halal)?

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In addition a veggie option?

I’ve took responsibility for sorting the burgers for BBQ at summer school PTA fair.
I was thinking, I can buy all burgers as halal only. A good portion of the school population are either non-religious or Muslim.

However, DH is saying we should also offer a non-halal burger option (he is religious - Sikh and avoids halal due to his beliefs). However I think he is a minority and could have veggie? There are Hindus but they wouldn’t eat beef anyway so it’s a tiny amount of people other than DH who I think would care if we go full halal for the burgers.

IMO one type of beef burger that is suitable for most would be easiest. AIBU?

For those of you saying you would never eat Halal meat, you probably are without knowing. Apparently there is no requirement to label meat as halal (although some places do - I think most supermarkets do and have their own policies on this)

I didn’t realise that the meat used in my work canteen was halal until I asked. So unless you ask every time you have meat somewhere you won’t know if it’s halal or not.

As an atheist I do care that meat sold in the U.K. now involve praying. We are introducing religious practises (not even our countries own religion historically) and I actively don’t want that.

Agree there are big issues with the meat industry which is why I am mostly eating veggie/ vegan without actually referring to myself as one as I will occasionally eat meat.

Sorry if this has already been shared but it addresses lots of the questions coming up here.

Halal bans stunning before jugular is cut and blood drained. But major supermarkets claim they always stun anyway and simply bless the dying animal.

RSPCA says not stunning is cruel. Which makes me wonder why we allow this kind of slaughter anywhere in the UK.

I suspect there is a lot of meat and poultry sitting in shops which is killed this way but not marked as halal and a fair amount marked as halal which is not. We’ll never know.

OP I’d expect non-halal burgers and veggie options at a public event.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27324224

I would cut the hassle for myself as host.
I would offer meet, the one I like, and some vegetarian, salad, kebabs etc as I always do. I would tell the menu to the people and suggest them that they are welcome to bring something they like and won't be offered. If they think my catering choices are not good enough they can stay out the event.
People usually don't go empty handed to BBQs.
That is applicable to any guest.

I’ve took responsibility for sorting the burgers for BBQ at summer school PTA fair. I was thinking, I can buy all burgers as halal only. A good portion of the school population are either non-religious or Muslim.

why on earth would you assume that those who are not religious are happy to eat halal? I certainly would not and I know many others who wouldn't. I would be happy with veggie but it's super ignorant to assume that non-muslims are happy to eat halal meat.

Zzz @eatsleepfarmrepeat go back to sleep, or educate urself. Stunning is inhumane! They aren't always dead so in much more pain. Slighting if the throat is much quicker less painful and far cleaner meat.

Op get all halal, and veggie option. Like u said it's a minority of Sikh.

100% this

I'm gluten free as I have coeliacs.

Burgers = breadcrumbs

What about me and my health needs being catered for?

Defo not the processed food brigade! Just a long term Veggie who misses veggie burgers over the Vegan fake meat ones 🙂.

Not if you're a vegetarian they can't. Which vegetarian would want their food covered in dead cow juice?

As another atheist I couldn't care less that somebody waffles religiously over my food. I don't believe therefore it's irrelevant to me. I will eat either without a second thought

I am totally untroubled by halal and if it is required by those who do believe in the righteous nature of what they consume then they can crack on with it.

Tbh murdering an animal to eat it's flesh when it's not necessary is pretty barbaric anyway.

Oh and for information some Muslims choose to be veggie.

How many posters will happily sit down to a chicken tikka masala and not give a thought that ALL meat from Indian restaurants and takeaways is halal? All of it.

But the OP is trying to raise money for the school, having people bringing their own food is not really an option.

If the majority of the school is Muslim then I’d do Halal burgers and veggie burgers. You can’t be doing multiple choices as that just isn’t practical and if it’s about profit then you should go with the majority. If someone doesn’t want to eat a halal burger for ethical reasons then they can have the veggie one or go without. If the school was mostly non religious/christian/catholic then it would have to be the other way around 🤷🏻‍♀️

Could you do pork burgers and pretend they were beef and not let people know? It y make a lot more money as pork is cheap.

As an atheist you couldn’t care less, but I have already stated in my post that I am an atheist who wants to live in a secular society and halal goes against this wish for me. Can’t understand why this opinion is met with so much eye rolling.

I know lots of people who are not religious and I just don’t think many would feel strongly enough about this, they would happily eat Nando’s without checking etc. it’s not important to them. If they feel strongly about killing animals for food they would be veggie.

im not religious and not veggie. I would eat either as clearly labelled without batting an eyelid. I don’t think I’m wrong to assume that I’m not a minority.

for those who mentioned - there will be (at least) 3 separate BBQs and people cooking - it’s part of quite a big event.

@sashh@sashh

I'm also an atheist and I really don't understand your objection.

It's a commercial decision to play Islamic prayers while the meat is being slaughtered, and not a religious one. They're doing it because there is a demand for it, and because they will be able to make more money from it. If there was a significant demand for, say, meat that was killed with Shakespearean sonnets being recited in the background, then they would do that too.

Presumably, if you're atheist, prayers are just words like any others. They don't have any special power or meaning. I honestly can't understand why it matters.

I do understand wanting to live in a secular society - I would get rid of all state funded faith schools, for example. But that doesn't mean that I want to stop others from practising their religions, and I have no issue with companies recognising that there is a market for halal meat etc.

Can you taste the difference between halal and non halal burgers?

Is your husband's issue with halal slaughter or something else?

AIUI a lot of halal meat is from animals pre-stunned before slaughter and other than prayers and perhaps gestures at slaughter there's no difference.

Just serve the Halal ones making clear that's what they are. If a tiny minority object they can have something else.

Yes all meat should be labelled up correctly.

And I would just serve all veggie burgers.

I agree OP. I think it's fine to buy only halal and then clearly label it as such

Apologies I quoted you twice by mistake, and you are correct I did not read the post correctly the first time. I thought OP was hosting. @sashh