To not offer two types of beef burger at summer fair (halal and non halal)?

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In addition a veggie option?

I’ve took responsibility for sorting the burgers for BBQ at summer school PTA fair.
I was thinking, I can buy all burgers as halal only. A good portion of the school population are either non-religious or Muslim.

However, DH is saying we should also offer a non-halal burger option (he is religious - Sikh and avoids halal due to his beliefs). However I think he is a minority and could have veggie? There are Hindus but they wouldn’t eat beef anyway so it’s a tiny amount of people other than DH who I think would care if we go full halal for the burgers.

IMO one type of beef burger that is suitable for most would be easiest. AIBU?

I take it if you required emergency medical treatment, you would ensure you stuck to these beliefs and refuse to be treated by a Muslim doctor?

Absolutely!

I think unless people are strictly vegan, then they have no right to criticise other cultures and religious practices around animals for food.

In the scenario I'd offer halal meat products and that way it's acceptable to all
I'll never get why some are like "killing animals is fine but only if it's the way I want you to do it!"
If you're okay with animals being killed, why the beef?! (Pardon the pun)
Plus a vegetarian option that is suitable for vegans too .

So are most normal slaughterhouse practices. If you're a meat eater, it's a tad hypocritical to object to Halal on this basis.

from the RSPCA:

Pre-stunning ensures that an animal is unconscious and cannot feel pain before slaughter up until the point of death. Animals that haven't been pre-stunned:

• Feel pain during the neck cutting process and up until they lose consciousness (through loss of blood)
• Experience a delay in loss of consciousness (e.g. up to two minutes in cattle)
• Are subjected to unnecessary pain, suffering and distress.

Well done Belgium. I didn't know that.

Exactly
How are slaughterhouses not cruel when they kill animals in practically a production line?!
(I'm not vegan or vegetarian, just seems very hypocritical to me!)

You're still mass killing them though.
If you're knocked out first it's OK?
Doesn't sit right. It's still not good, doesn't make it magically better.

Look at packaging, look online, ask at source.

Halal meat is blessed, ot may or may not be stunned prior to having it's throat slit.
No method of killing is humane, I accept that.

No method of killing is humane.
We all know that.

I think prioritising any religious dietary rule over an animal's welfare is always misguided and wrong.

So why do people have a problem with eating halal but are fine if they're mass killed another way?

I'm not veggie but . . . . Just do an all veggie BBQ. It's fine honestly and most people would barely notice. Even meat frankfurters are 75% sawdust anyway.

Try a variety of different veggie burgers and sausages, give them interesting names - have a tasting contest chalk scoreboard so people can mark their favourites for next time - and have lots of cheeses for burgers and sauces too.

I've already explained my personal reasons for preferring non-halal (it'll be a few pages back). I do think halal is seen as potentially more cruel because the animals aren't stunned, but I'm not qualified enough to comment confidently on that.
I have no issue with people's dietary choices as long as they don't try to 'normalize' that so much that it removes other choices.
I don't eat huge amounts of meat either and have been veggie for long stretches and also briefly vegan.

I see no issue with having just a halal burger and a veggie option.

Anyone who genuinely objects to halal on the grounds of animal cruelty will choose the veggie option anyway. It really isn't a reasonable expectation that a burger stall at a summer fete would be using meat with particularly high welfare standards as it would be too expensive, so anyone for whom this is important will just avoid meat altogether - whether it is halal or not makes no difference.

Of course, there will be some who avoid halal for Islamophobic reasons, but I don't think you are under any obligation to cater to them. They can either get over their prejudice or eat the veggie option.

I couldn't care less if someone prays over my meat before I eat it. I'm an atheist - they can do what they like. I really don't understand why people who eat meat have such a problem with Halal meat. The animal dies anyway. It will also die whether or not you personally eat it. Not eating Halal meat won't make a difference to anything at all.

If the school has a high proportion of Muslim families, I'd do halal burgers and veggie burgers. If the Islamophobes other people don't want to eat Halal meat, no one is forcing them.

Personally, as a coeliac (y'know, an actual medical condition) I think it's more important to ensure there's a gluten free option.

I'd notice. I can't eat 99.9% of veggie food.

@BeachParty if you have the choice of death being stunned and knocked out and killed feeling nothing, or have your throat slit and slowly bled out in pain then you don't think it's just death. I do like to eat meat but don't want it to have been tortured before so I am going to pay more attention to the packaging now @Leidenschaft24 thank you

why's that? genuine question . . .

I have a bowel condition that unfortunately doesn't let me eat much at all, especially fibre. It rules out any beans, pulse, seeds and most fruit and veg. Which is rough because I absolutely love food, especially fruit and veg 😔 Meat is one of the only food groups I can semi tolerate.

But, I'm a extreme case and if I'm going anywhere like this, I take my own food or liquid meal replacement in case there's nothing I can have. A plain burger would be nice though!

That is unfortunate. Why??

Even a meat burger will contain non meat products such as eggs, flour so presumably you couldn't eat that anyway? Nor the bun which is obviously always veggie.

Hmm I see your point!

I wish people would stop labelling other's choices as islamophobic.
Islamophobia would be trying to prevent muslims from accessing halal food, not a non muslim choosing not to purchase or eat halal food themselves.

serve fish and veg

Yup, have to be 100% meat burgers with no fillers like wheat or onion etc. I can have eggs ☺ It makes life extremely difficult and is absolutely horrible when you love food so much. But like I said, I'm an extreme case and would take food anyway. Just a thought though. Some people can't eat veggie foods as they often have soy, mushrooms, gluten etc.