To not offer two types of beef burger at summer fair (halal and non halal)?

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In addition a veggie option?

I’ve took responsibility for sorting the burgers for BBQ at summer school PTA fair.
I was thinking, I can buy all burgers as halal only. A good portion of the school population are either non-religious or Muslim.

However, DH is saying we should also offer a non-halal burger option (he is religious - Sikh and avoids halal due to his beliefs). However I think he is a minority and could have veggie? There are Hindus but they wouldn’t eat beef anyway so it’s a tiny amount of people other than DH who I think would care if we go full halal for the burgers.

IMO one type of beef burger that is suitable for most would be easiest. AIBU?

I've already explained above, please read that.

Some people, I agree. For other people it is animal welfare. Not to the extent of a vegan, but to the extent they they are content with standard U.K. law. As I said above, I’m not vegetarian. I buy free range meat. I also avoid chicken I haven’t cooked myself because it is invariably battery farmed, whereas in the U.K. we are blessed with a bedrock of small family farms raising livestock for general consumption. 87% of our beef cattle are free range.

I’m saying it makes sense to cater to the majority. Which happens to be non-Muslim in most situations in the UK.

And here we have a situation where OP says a lot are Muslims and a tiny amount of people who won’t eat halal (like the Hindu people who will eat veggie) and yet you STILL don’t want the Muslims catered for.

They are all made of vegetables

you might prefer one type but that doesn’t make it nicer/better for everyone.

also not quite what I was getting at. The people who eat mashed up cow carcass like to tell vegans that their mashed up peas are unhealthy

Has op determined who is actually likely be coming, not just those who will potentially come?
That might be helpful.
Whatever she opts for it needs to be clearly labelled and cooked appropriately.

I think in this case, halal should be the default, as most customers are Muslim.

That’s what I’m saying too. But Leiden disagrees and is saying non-halal should be the default at this event too.

No one has said halal should be the default in the UK overall.

Yes. Also... school dinners, hospital food, much restaurant food is all halal. Honestly most people don't care.

I have spent quite a bit of time in slaughterhouses for my job. Don't kid yourself that non halal slaughter is necessarily humane either. It's really to do with the skill and care of the slaughter man more than anything else. Most big abattoirs are killing hundreds or thousands of animals per week. Sometimes staff get desensitised and stop caring. Also it's not a job that attracts people who love animals or who have other job options open to them. Many slaughterhouse workers have criminal records.

There are different kinds of 'veggie burgers' - some designed to look like meat, some with visible veggies and some which are apparently designed to look like grey sludge.....

lol “normal”

If you're going to mention me can you please use stop calling me Leiden?

All tasty in their own way, none made of tortured animal parts

Thats right normal, we just call burgers burgers in the UK, normally.

I think “tasty” is having to stretch a long way to make the grey sludge burgers appealing

A sobering read. Animal welfare is an oxymoron, My DH works in the food industry and says there will be a time when future generations will be baffled that we ate meat.

Not sure the average person buying a burger at a school fete is too worried about animal welfare standards. Anyone who has thought about it is taking the vege option surely?

Correct.
Clearly lots of people enjoy eating animal parts though.
TBH I can't stand the meat lookalike burgers but I do like the ones with chunks of veghies encased in breadcrumbs. I'm partial to a cauliflower cheese grill too.

Why is this fair considering cooking burgers. Just avoid a BBQ and sell ice creams instead 😂 avoid the hassle you can't make everyone happy

I don't think you can draw any conclusions from that. People go out of their way to buy dolphin friendly tuna and free range eggs. Clearly they're not vegans making these purchases, so many consumers who eat animal products do seem to care about animal husbandry and ethics.

Cow mince is more grey sludge than anything else. Festering away on the shelves, full of sinewy sadness

I’m inclined to agree that the OP needs to buy what her consumers would eat.

I think Leiden’s point is a different one. Objecting to back door mission creep, which is happening. 71% of British sheep are already slaughtered using halal methods. This means it is being sold to non-Muslims without its halal status being labelled. Furthermore, around a third of it on average is not stunned. Ditto 22% chickens. This is not what religious slaughter exemptions exist for. It lowers overall animal welfare standards in the U.K. and creates an industry that is dominated by religious exemptions to the law, rather than the law itself.

If a cow burger is grey it’s gone off and needs to be thrown away.

Have you seen what happens in a slaughterhouse?

The cow mince we buy is most definitely not grey sludge.

But in reality those people don’t actually know what dolphin friendly or free range actually is.

It’s because they’re drawn in by marketing speak and lies to help their cognitive dissonance. Save the dolphins, massacre the tuna.