To not offer two types of beef burger at summer fair (halal and non halal)?

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In addition a veggie option?

I’ve took responsibility for sorting the burgers for BBQ at summer school PTA fair.
I was thinking, I can buy all burgers as halal only. A good portion of the school population are either non-religious or Muslim.

However, DH is saying we should also offer a non-halal burger option (he is religious - Sikh and avoids halal due to his beliefs). However I think he is a minority and could have veggie? There are Hindus but they wouldn’t eat beef anyway so it’s a tiny amount of people other than DH who I think would care if we go full halal for the burgers.

IMO one type of beef burger that is suitable for most would be easiest. AIBU?

No one has asked for halal to be the default. But if a large proportion / majority are Muslims, then it’s reasonable that they be catered for.

99% of red meat in NZ is slaughtered in accordance with halal standards, starting from 1983. As far as I know it hasn’t turned into a Muslim country, if that’s what you’re afraid of.

I'm not afraid to say anything.
I'm not having YOUR words put in my mouth.
I want the option to purchase meat which has not been blessed by any faith leader.
If someone says a prayer in their home then so be it, but that doesn't influence demand for blessed or non-blessed meat.
I refuse to create demand for blessed meat, which also potentially hasn't been stunned, because I have no need for it and don't want it.

You have backtracked many times, when you could have just what you think.

A cd on repeat really isn’t a faith leader. What if a christmas song about jesus is played on the radio when daisy the cow is killed?

I don't live in NZ.
I don't care if people become muslim within a secular country - whatever brings them joy!
I just don't want halal meat.

This is the UK not New Zealand. When the EU adopted the Euro, we kept the Pound. As the EU zone expanded, we came out. To think that we'd just accept 100% Halal slaughtering methods is silly to all but the most ardent Guardian readers.

Christians don't require meat blessing in the same way as the other Abrahamic faiths.
If a CD on repeat is what makes it halal then I don't need the CD.

Saying Grace and ritualistic slaughter are two completely different things. Why are you even comparing the two?

Who on the thread has called for 100% halal?

I haven't once backtracked.
I've elaborated when you've drawn interesting conclusions.

So you are happy for cows to be listening to christian music when they’re being killed?

I sort of get what @Leidenschaft24 is saying.
Both wanting to eat halal meat, and the opposite are 'beliefs'.
Why does one have weight over the other, just because loads of people have the same belief?
It's all man-made anyway.

Different from having a medical/physical need for different food.

If it's against someone's belief to eat ritually killed meat, for whatever reason it also has to be respected the same as someone wanting ritually killed meat. One doesn't have weight over the other.

And if you care enough you'll ask... And make your choice accordingly.

For this event it's simple, cater to the majority and everyone else vegetarian. But for other events which needs to be erm 'inclusive' well they can just flip a coin.

But it’s not about you, Leiden. No one cares what you eat. OP is trying to cater to an event that has lots of Muslims. And you begrudge them a burger.

A lot of NZ meat is exported to Muslim countries. It’s a hugely important export for them. By contrast, many countries in Europe have banned all non-stun halal and kosher slaughter completely. There was a legal challenge based on religious rights in Belgium that lost because animal welfare was deemed more important.

But Leiden is arguing that one does have weight over the other.

She said only non-halal should be served and there is no need for halal.

You're off on some sort of odd tangent now.
Playing music isn't the same as having a blessing.

It’s not about animal welfare for them though. Anyone who has been in a slaughter house knows that it’s a cruel industry, regardless of method.

But as pp have said, people only care about that when it’a halal meat.

It’s a cd, if you can ignore a cd with songs about jesus for example, why can’t you ignore a cd about allah? It isn’t a live person doing anything (not in the UK anyway).

Oh god here come the processed food brigade 🙄

Meanwhile you begrudge those who prefer to avoid halal......and the circle continues ....

I wouldn't have even considered this, where I live it would be offering gluten free bread as an option

To be fair, actual veggie ones do taste nicer.

Yes, me too.
Glad you mentioned that.

I'm sure most non religious meat eaters would prefer the most humane method of slaughter, which seems to be the industry standard bolt gun. Of course any method is only as good as the person administering it.

Non-halal is the default in the UK - not a Muslim country.
Just as how in my Muslim country of origin, halal is the default, for obvious reasons.

So why is @Leidenschaft24 wrong for arguing that the default is as it should be?

I think in this case, halal should be the default, as most customers are Muslim.

But in all other cases, arguing for non-halal as the default isn't wrong as long as Muslims are provided for with vegetarian food. Why is there a need to ensure that they can eat the meat?

If you say 'well it should be halal' then what about the people whose beliefs prevent them from eating it?

Someone has to give in. If you say that people CAN eat halal, they don't want to... Well, not wanting to is a belief.
Religion is also a belief.
In both cases there is no physical reason preventing anybody from doing anything just that they believe that they shouldn't.

Beliefs are all just beliefs IMO and in the same category. Religious or otherwise.