To be annoyed at the lack of treatment for diabetes as everyone is snapping it up for weight loss?

[lucie82]

Just as the title says really. Myself and other diabetics are having our meds chopped and changed because the pharmacy can't get hold of them. It would seem that they can't get hold of them as people are buying them for weight loss!
Why is everything all about an easy fix with weight loss? If you're taking "weight loss drugs" and not changing your diet and life style then surely once you stop taking them you will put the weight back on?

and if Insulin is required to control diabetes, it makes it even more difficult to lose weight. Combined with thyroid issues, it can get very complex indeed.

Thank you for that explaination @pbdr. It has been awful and shame inducing to be stuck in this cycle for so many years. I used to be a healthy weight but due to my thyroid, depression and grief I gained 3 stone. I have spent years trying to "eat less, move more", calorie count, intermittently fast and more. Nothing has worked beyond a few pounds and it is absolutely soul destroying. For the first time I actually have some hope that I will be able to lose weight and reduce my chances of developing all of the health issues that my mum suffered with. I wish these drugs could have been around to help her.

Well @lucie82 , I bet you are glad you started this thread now!

I have learnt that people really do have huge amounts of disdain for people who are overweight.

People do not understand these injections nor how they are provided and even when informed, still like to take the (imo lazy) narrative of 'they take other people's drugs! They need to eat less and move more!' without understanding the ins and outs...

My personal favourite is that if you are fat, going into the doctors and yelling at them will give them a prescription for something that they are not allowed to prescribe. I mean.... who knew???

Big pharmas plus the food production (which don't actually produce real food!) companies are the ones you should be angry with OP. And the media for spreading untruths and fueling vitriol for anyone who dares to ask for help with their weight issues, before they end up on in a situation similar to yours.

Fear not, fatphobics, record numbers of us lard arses are shrinking at a rate of knots and it's all thanks to our wonderful mounjaro. You will have to find another demographic to bitch about soon.

BTW, ozempic is so last year, haven't you heard? 😉

Just because I disagree with you and I have a different opinion doesn’t make it goady. I replied to a post and answered honestly and a few people are clearly not happy about it and start with the ‘your goady, fat shamed, why do you hate fat people’ bollcks. If you’re offended easily with a different opinion a public forum isn’t the best place.

I’ve also noticed two views, one being that emotional eating is a cause and so it’s psychological stress that causes someone to overeat then the other argument that it’s medical and its hormone related that. So which is it? It’s not medical if it’s down to overeating and acknowledged by the obese person that’s why are obese….

Either way, whatever the reason, the physiological reality is that if you eat more calories than you burn off you’ll put weight on. It’s not wrong to point that out, regardless of whether you disagree.

I’ve acknowledged that some people have it easier than others but the principle is still the same.

It’s getting beyond a joke when GP’s are too scared to say you need to lose weight for fear of ‘fat shaming’.

Going back to original question, I think people should have to try and loose weight through diet and exercise before being given these injections, if it means that people with diabetes can’t access them.

Why would you use your working genetics and hormone production against someones who aren't? We don't tell a small person to just be taller.

I mean it is proven so many can lose weight with the hormones of a healthy weight person.
So be superior with your expertly ghrelin and leptin production. Some of us don't have that luxury. My word it is good to feel it with Mounharo.

I’ve also noticed two views, one being that emotional eating is a cause and so it’s psychological stress that causes someone to overeat then the other argument that it’s medical and its hormone related that

'Anxiety and stress afffects hormones too. Who knew?'

People with Type 1 diabetes shouldn't be getting screwed over by those that just couldn't put the biscuits down.

So why are some people that experience severe stress not obese! It’s more down to input output and emotional eating. Some people will overeat to comfort their feelings others will lose their appetite.

Yes, it's absolutely happening.

I've got fat mates that have talked it up so many times over the years about coming to the gym with me/having a fresh start, yet there's always an excuse on the day. It's their problem now tbh. I can't be arsed to help them anymore.

People with Type 1 diabetes shouldn't be getting screwed over by those that just couldn't put the biscuits down.

' Have you actually read the thread?'

I'm type 2 with Habc1 at over 100.. the dr couldn't prescribe weight loss injection so I bought it myself (I appreciate not everyone can do this, however my food shopping bill has decreased enough to cover the monthly cost £165 p/m) on week 7 and have lost 8kg. Haven't taken a metformin/gliclazide/forixga tablet for 4 weeks as blood sugars are well within normal range. Fully expecting to be on a lower if not no meds next month. I sympathise with you not being able to get the medication, however I would say if there is a chance you can obtain privately it's worth it to get your weight/diabetes under control. I DO realise not everyone can afford it..but as I said my food bills are so much lower now it offsets the injection cost and my health has improved. Is there anyway you could obtain the meds privately? I decided on Monjarou injection. It has worked really well, I'm thrilled at the idea my diabetes may be in remission soon.
Good luck OP, health care is patchy in the country right now, the amount of pills I was taking was scary and a strain on my liver, that's no longer the case.

There is a shortage of many medications

the main issue by far is leaving the EU

I'm glad obese people aren't being blamed for that

Methinks you do infer too much

they are sooo behind the times

You are right @lucie82 My MIL cannot access the drugs that kept her diabetes under control due to people buying them
for weight loss. She has now had to start on insulin instead which she was trying to avoid and her weight is going up instead of down like it was when she could access the drugs she needed. Her diabetes nurse clarified this was the case. Diabetes and being obese is more dangerous than simply being obese. There are so many people on mumsnet taking these drugs, this thread was never going to go well for you I’m afraid.

Can I say it again for all those who can't seem to read/understand?

1)GP are not prescribing weight loss injections

2)The drug that GPs are prescribing for type 2 diabetes is not the one people are buying privately

3)People wanting to lose weight are buying a different drug privately

If the fatties can just change their lifestyle and diet then so can their type 2 diabetics. T2 can, on the whole (but not in all cases), be mediated via lifestyle changes.

I applaud those taking their health into their own hands to fight obesity so they don't get T2 and need these types of drugs paid for by the NHS. Fancy that....they will be saving the NHS money!

This is going to be the new 'cancel the cheque' isn't it???

It's ridiculous how many times we have to repeat this. Apparently some people can't read.

The denial of this among many is staggering. Sterling is so low, so importing anything costs a lot more, + all the red tape, very expensive again.

But also, quite naturally, giving priority to other people in the EU fraternity.

What drug is it that's prescribed for weight but which can be substituted with insulin, out of curiosity?

Pretty soon they will all be the fat ones compared to us who've taken health into our own hands

As people keep blaming people on weight loss injections for the shortage in the NHS, I thought I would do some research. Below shows that the shortage is due to the manufacturers, not fat people stealing your drugs. And let's remember, ozempic is the drug for diabetes. Fatties can't get their greedy hands on it so you all don't need to worry...or blame us.

https://everyone.org/blog/ozempic-shortage-uk#:~:text=When%20will%20the%20Ozempic%20shortage,including%20off%2Dlabel%20demand%20drops.