To be annoyed at the lack of treatment for diabetes as everyone is snapping it up for weight loss?

[lucie82]

Just as the title says really. Myself and other diabetics are having our meds chopped and changed because the pharmacy can't get hold of them. It would seem that they can't get hold of them as people are buying them for weight loss!
Why is everything all about an easy fix with weight loss? If you're taking "weight loss drugs" and not changing your diet and life style then surely once you stop taking them you will put the weight back on?

I completely agree with you OP, and in some ways it’s actually worse because billions is being invested in making & marketing those drugs which is being diverted from other diseases.

I’m sorry you’re being attacked here by people feeling defensive and ‘shamed’ but such is life.

Thank you

Yes, @lucie82

I think that you should have worded it better. I'm sorry about your diagnosis, and your frustration is clear. My friend has been diagnosed as slightly insulin resistant, and so she has been given this medication to lose weight in order to prevent where you are now. I live in a country where you cannot buy it over the counter without a prescription and there are still shortages.

But as PP have said... there is a difference in how these medications are being marketed and dispersed. Some for obesity (which is a chronic illness) and others for diabetes. It is not one or the other. The information you have been given is very simplified and incorrect.

May I also suggest that you read The Obesity Code and The Glucose Goddess? My friend lent them to me and they have improved my understanding of the situation. They are also relevant to your situation.

Would you like to discuss what has led you to your recent diagnosis? You mentioned above that you are overweight?

I'm think I'm objecting to people using medication for weight loss instead of trying to actually change their lifestyle first.

The vast majority of type 2 diabetics wouldn't need the medication either, if they'd changed their lifestyle first.

Are you diagnosed type 2? If so I assume you've been advised about lifestyle changes you can make too that will have a similar effect to semaglutide?

You are making a lot of assumptions about the reasons people are using injectables to lose weight. Obesity is a health condition and its chronic. Obese people deserve medication for that condition. It's not immediately life threatening in the way diabetes can be but it's a serious and life limiting condition. Semaglutide is amazing for treating it. Yes it's challenging to know how to maintain it after coming off the medication. Maybe obese people will need to be lifelong users of the medication just like diabetic people will be. Does that mean they shouldn't take it in the first place?

You don't get insulin for a day ( orceven within minutes) you are going to fucking die
If you don't have a dose of your 'miracle weight loss drug' you are not going to die immediately.
Type 1 diabetes is not a lifestyle choice. Eating your way to obesity is
Do you not realise the mental calculations about carbs, sugars, etc for every meal/snack that are required in order to sort appropriate pre-prandial dosage of insulin? Far more than adding the calories in a biscuit before it is popped into your mouth as a treat
People need insulin to saty fucking alive. They do not NEED it to lose weight

If you're taking "weight loss drugs" and not changing your diet and life style then surely once you stop taking them you will put the weight back on?

Of course - and the injections support you to change diet and lifestyle. If you aren't happy that people can pay for this support then blame the pharma companies.

With private patients paying £700-£1000 a month for medication and consultations

It doesn't cost anything like that here.

I imagine GPs wouldn't prescribe it if people hadn't tried to change their lifestyle first

I have trouble getting the cream I need for my skin on a regular basis. It's coz we left the EU I believe.

Anyway.

If this is a moan about your friend fine. But it seems a bit harsh to tar everyone with the same brush

That was my thoughts as well, but every time I see these threads discussing shortages of these medications, as here there's posters saying its just as essential for obesity as diabetes so it's always confused me. An elderly relatives who due to dementia wasn't managing insulin properly ended up with diabetic ketoacidosos (sp?) and ended up v ill in hospital so now district nurses come in to manage their injections, would the gp do this for obesity too or is it online GPS prescription for that?

I agree with you both. Yes obesity causes a lot of health issues but people can lose weight through other means, or stay obese. Diabetics need that medication to keep them alive. To suggest they are equally deserving is ridiculous and so ignorant to the seriousness of diabetes.

I was on anti depressants to help me sleep. Prescribed by the doctor for that very reason.

Having bad insomnia has health issues. Did I not deserve treatment?

Oh yes, they can and do, if only for a quiet life. People happily scream at a GP telling them they require an antibiotiic for a cold or other viral infection. What they won't do is listen while it is explained that ABs do not treat viral infections, and that AB resistance is a real thing. So the gp caves in before his/her face is caved in by said ignorant people.

Oh god really?? That's terrible. I always listen to my GP's advice, it's a two way dialogue. I hate taking antibiotics as they make me so ill.

Maybe people should be banned from seeing the doctors if they scream at them

The thing is, if diabetics don't get their meds they can die very quickly as a direct result. People who are obese can benefit from the drugs, but they can also lose weight via exercise and calorie restriction. Obesity can contribute to other health issues but in itself it doesn't kill you like diabetes will.

Sadly, very true

I'm a diabetic that wants to try the weight loss injections-wegovy. But I'd need it prescribed due to it affecting my insulin treatment.

Firstly, I want to clear up that it's not insulin. Someone mentioned it's used to treat type 1. It's not. It's used to treat type 2. It isn't insulin (I agree insulin is life or death).

OP, I agree you should be angry at the pharmaceutical companies.

What a fucking stupid thread

People are literally arguing about people dying quicker as they diabetes instead of obesity

I'd like to see the evidence where someone with diabetes has died because they presented themselves at hospital and there was no drugs because all the fat people took it

Do you realise that wegovy etc are not insulin and any shortages of insulin are unrelated to weight loss treatments?

GPs don't prescribe it, it's on private prescription unless you're one of the tiny number who qualifies on the NHS and is referred to a specialist clinic.

Amazing claims here given that GPs don't actually prescribe these weight loss drugs

Wegovy is always prescribed

The drug companies should make more of those drugs as they arte very useful to ward off obesity and diabetes too.
All valid reasons for using it.