To be annoyed at the lack of treatment for diabetes as everyone is snapping it up for weight loss?

[lucie82]

Just as the title says really. Myself and other diabetics are having our meds chopped and changed because the pharmacy can't get hold of them. It would seem that they can't get hold of them as people are buying them for weight loss!
Why is everything all about an easy fix with weight loss? If you're taking "weight loss drugs" and not changing your diet and life style then surely once you stop taking them you will put the weight back on?

I think most people would agree that obesity is not a disease like say…. Breast cancer!

The latter can not be prevented….

It can be reduced though.

Drinking alcohol, having children late, not having children, oh and obesity!! All increase your chances of breast cancer.

But it can be bought privately and that will have a knock on effect with supply.

You mean being realists

Don’t even try and compare the two, it’s really insulting.

@StarOf why do you have such a problem with fat people?

Not for weight loss.

If you're a fat diabetic and get put on one of the dual use drugs do you lose weight?

I don’t so don’t try and play that game because I don’t agree with you.

Most people can lose weight themselves. A fit and healthy 35 year old with breast cancer can not do anything actively once they have it. There is a massive difference and it’s disgusting to infer they are both the same and both diseases!

OP
There have been many problems with various meds since Covid. The diaibetes ones are impacted for reasons others have stated here

Last year, or was it the year before wecould not get hold of Epi-pens, recently Fybroygel, the other day Emovate or something like that and two other meds that escape my memory!!

don't infer it then

Probably because being slim is their main achievement in life and s/he gets to boast about it on threads like this. How people lose weight is none of his/her business. S/he probably thinks alcoholics should "just drink less" anorexics should "just eat more" etc.

@StarOf Actually I lost my mother to breast cancer and have been told to lose weight to reduce my risk. So off you trot with your misinformed opinions.

Certainly comes across that way!

Don’t get annoyed when I say they aren’t the same!

Goodness me there are a lot of strong opinions on here, all thinking that their opinion is the one we should all be listening to. I've always been open to hearing other sides to the story as it were.
As previously mentioned the information came from a pharmacist.
I'm talking about type 2 diabetes.
I've been under going tests for nearly two years, I either can't sleep or I sleep all the time, I've zero energy, the weight has piled on. I eat very healthily so much fruit, veg, salad and lean meat.
I'm getting flamed because in my tiredness I worded the question wrong.
My first husband had type 1 and I've seen the effects of him not getting his insulin.
I'm not shaming my friends, one of who is having injections and eating shite, and the other who is a diabetic and lost 6 stone on ozempic, I think she's done wonderfully and yes I wish I could eat shite like her and lose weight.
My second husband has thyroid issues and we've been fine with getting his medication, my son was on melatonin and we struggled to get that all the time.

Ahh see, you’re bringing in anorexia and that’s already been discussed upthread - they are not the same.

Yes I’m slim but I love food as much as the next person.

It’s not misinformed.

You can’t recover from cancer without medical intervention.

Most people can ‘recover’ from being obese without medical intervention…;

"I've zero energy, the weight has piled on. I eat very healthily so much fruit, veg, salad and lean meat."

That's not healthily when you are diabetic. Fruit=suger for a start. I suggest looking into Michael Moaley advice or looking into low carb diets for diabetes reversal.

I've been eating the recommended portions of everything that my diabetic nurse gave me

There are around 1100 identified genes (so far) that are known to be associated with obesity. Some people have few of them, some have many. The complex gut-brain axis and weight set-point results in long term maintenance of significant weight loss in obese people from diet and exercise alone being almost impossible. Only 3% of obese people who lose a significant amount of weight are able to keep it off long term. In 97% of cases the weight is regained, so "Eat less, move more" sounds nice and simple on paper, but the truth is that it simply is not an effective treatment for the vast majority of obese people.
If you are someone who is genetically and psychologically predisposed to obesity, then the urge to eat, food seeking behaviours and insatiable hunger can be absolutely uncontrollable, and the amount of self control that is required to lose and maintain weight loss is beyond what it is possible to sustain in the long term.

I am someone who feels very fortunate to be naturally predisposed to be a healthy weight, but I know I absolutely do not have greater self discipline or self control than someone who is predisposed to obesity. I simply don't need it, as my hunger levels, and urge to eat are at normal and controllable levels, which allows me to make healthy choices. It is in no way an even playing field, and I'm very aware with just a few different genes I would no longer have that control.

These new drugs are absolutely life changing for many people. I'm a GP, and while I cannot yet prescribe GLP-1s for obesity, I have many patients who have been taking private prescriptions for Wegovy and Mounjaro and have told me their stories. So many of these marvel at the loss of the "food noise" that they have been plagued by throughout their lives, and have found simply being able to live their lives and think about other things, without thoughts of food and eating encroaching upon everything they do to be immensely freeing, quite apart from the weight loss itself. I think these drugs are going to be absolutely revolutionary for patients living with obesity and very much hope they become available in time to patients who cannot afford expensive private prescriptions.

For some, yes. For many, it is a metabolic disease, the thyroid fails, and diabetes often follows. Please do some research.

Could I suggest that people maybe ignore the person who has posted 11 times in the last hour and a half alone to post goady self satisfied nonsense that helps neither themselves nor us? Maybe a better use of our energies :)

With all kindness OP, it doesn't sound like you or your son are having any difficulty whatsoever getting the necessary meds for each of you, so what was the point of you creating a post based purely on hearsay rather than actual evidence?

As others have said, WeGovy is semaglutide but not used for diabetes. Ozempic is also semaglutide and used for diabetes, but not licensed as a weight loss treatment here in the UK, so won't be affecting your meds. I did see an article recently stating that there's an insulin shortage in the UK which is affecting diabetics, but that's not a weight loss drug so nothing to do with people taking semaglutide for weight loss.

Trying to understand your point but you sound like you posted based on "my friend says..." and without any actual evidence that there is indeed a "lack of treatment for diabetes as everyone is snapping it up for weight loss".

I’m not saying it’s equal for everyone and I I know for some people it will be harder and hormones will make them more hungry/store fat more/differently etc…