There's no such thing as an independent female

[Yoyodiet]

I'm so wound up! Earlier, DP said to me he thinks I would benefit from signing up to Andrew Tate's academy course or whatever it is (I like learning about making money online, more out of interest than actually doing it myself). I said probably, but I wouldn't want to fund him as I don't like him. He asked why and I said he's not very nice to/about women. He was aghast and we went back and forth, defending him for the most part when I was reading bits off to him from a BBC article to prove my point. I read the following -

In that same video, he described women as "intrinsically lazy" and said there was "no such thing as an independent female".

...and he was like 'yeah, no women can be independent, you need men'. I couldn't believe it! I won't bore you with the heated discussion that ensued but he genuinely believes that not just I would crumble without a man (him), but all women on the planet if men suddenly disappeared. We would apparently perish in good time because we 'cannot hunt, do electrics, fix a roof or change a tyre'. (To add insult to injury I have qualifications in electrical installation and engineering, I'm pretty sure I could also change a tyre if push came to shove).

Also, I said I think there would be less wars without men - he said there'd me more because women are bitchy?? I said I'm pretty sure men have started a lot more wars than women in history. He pointed in my face and told me women didn't even fight in wars til recently. I reminded him that men made those rules.. 😂

He genuinelyyyyyy believes I'd fall apart without him. Our relationship has been rocky lately but this really made me see a different side to him. He really made me feel like a lesser person and it's made me feel really disappointed since. AIBU to be lying in bed awake stewing over this???

I don’t think this is a genuine post. You’re saying your husband was surprised that Andrew Tate hates women? It’s his whole business model 🤣

Prove to him that you’re an independent woman by leaving him.

Urgh red pill crap. We all need each other. I like some of Jordan Peterson's videos because he at least tells men to get their shit together and be a man! The ATs are just standard grifters and opportunists. Next hustle: becoming a kind of radical online imam to target a whole new chunk of misogynists now that the whole sex trafficking thing isn't going so well.

well I wouldn't be lying there stewing, I'd be lying there planning.....

Any man who is overly impressed with a woman doing something like engineering is a massive red flag waving misogynist. It just shows that he doesn't think women are as capable. I have a dd in a traditional male industry and its something I warned her to watch out for when dating.

Yanbu. Unless you don't end the relationship right away. Then YWBU. he is a sexist arsehole. The only way sexust arseholes will die out is if all women everywhere refuse to be in any kind of relationship with them ever, whilst also bringing up our kids to recognise and reject sexism. This will be a hundred-year project bit we keep not getting started because women keep choosing sexist arseholes for some reason.

He has obviously been taken in, and is a bit thick. I don’t think I could live with this, sorry Op.

Oh Lord.

Honestly I would be re-thinking my relationship in your shoes. Especially in the light if his existing pattern of devaluing your career etc.

I hate that there has always been a "battle of the sexes" and subscribe to equality in all reasonable means - ever since that bloody apple came into play it's been a shitshow for both sexes as a result. And personally I think it's because of Fear - some men hate the fact that without women there would be no men.

(Yes, I know it's a two way thing, but women having power and control over their own reproductive systems has been a massive trigger for many).

Andrew Tate and a certain Canadian Professor are two ends of the same spectrum - the latter knows bigger words and is slightly more dangerous because of that in my opinion, as he can get under people's skin with "reason and logic". Mr Twat on the other hand you can see coming because there is nothing reasonable about how he presents himself, nor his actions.

Every human depends on other humans to exist and survive in some way, regardless of sex. The degree to which we do that on a personal level is down to our own choices and sometimes abilities.

Life is an evolving and organic journey and we learn as we go along - we navigate relationships, cultures, societal expectations etc. All the arbitrary rules about how men and women "should" behave are largely wearisome power tools. You'd think, by now, as a species we'd evolved a bit more and realised that basically not being twats to each other would lead to a much nicer life.

But no, Mr Twat wants to recruit a big gang of lads and pull the girls hair in the playground due to his own inadequacies, and the Professor wants to gas-light the girls with his "superior" intellect and concerns for their well-being.

I shall return to Mr Hicks.... "It's just a ride...."....

That’s the Andrew Tate modus operandi in action isn’t it? Break down a woman.

if he’s brazen enough to actually be recommending Tate to you he is very deep in.

There's a sure-fire way to prove women can be independent, and that's to leave him.

Andrew Tate is a gift to women, because any man who has any truck with him is clearly a revolting sub-human waste of space and you need to know nothing else about them.

JP is just Andrew Tate lite, he’s a massive misogynist loser as well.

He just sounds like he doesn’t like you much OP.

List out all the nice things he does for you. How is he when you tell him something good happened to you? Does he ‘accidentally’ break your stuff ?

People often think of things like coal mining when they say this.
Bur most men couldn't be the hewers at the coal face. They weren't strong enough.

Thinking about this more. Is he hoping by you listening to more Andrew Tate will result in you thinking “Gosh women are a bit shit aren’t they - what a good job I have DP. Best show him some more appreciation that I am lucky enough to have a big strong man to take me through life. I could start by giving him a Lot more sex and also by making his life as easy as possible”

The only time in which a man is needed is for procreation. So, I guess one could claim that "the world" wouldn't survive without them. But on an individual level? Nah.

@Yoyodiet what does he think of women, like me, who are not interested in kids or a relationship and have chosen the spinster life. What is his view of how I am surviving without a man?

I assumed that too but then I started watching some of his videos directly rather than relying on secondhand descriptions. It was eye-opening. He talks quite eloquently and compassionately about some areas of mental health including depression. I think a lot of young men are feeling lost and depressed and uncertain.

At least JP tells them to eat well, exercise and upskill themselves to gain self-respect and improve their life chances. Unlike AT who's all 'Yo! Bitches and hos! Look at my bling car! Be rich with zero effort.'

Women obviously can be independent in terms of earning their own money.

Women, like men also rely to a certain degree on everyone else in society. In that sense no one is truly independent.

Stupid argument though

How you can be in a relationship with someone that supports Andrew Tate is beyond the majority of the female population.

Your DP might have become more misogynistic if he has been watching too many videos from JP and at

Just because JP is more eloquent and makes some sensible sounding points it does not mean he is less dangerous in fact he could be more sinister

I’d leave him just to prove my point 🤣

I can't believe he would say that to you when you have an engineering qualification

I couldn't be with someone who liked Andrew Tate.

That's all well and good but his subtext is still that women should know their place and that it's women's fault that young men feel that way which is a hugely reductionist point of view overlooking the inherently oppressive system we live under still. But, bless us, it's not our fault cos flaws in our lady brain make up.

'cannot hunt, do electrics, fix a roof or change a tyre'

Er I've done all those things and more. I changed a tyre with two toddlers in the back of the car!

Correct response is:
is AT right?
Tell me should we break up?
Would you be better off without the burden like me?
I love you too much to let you waste your enormous male potential on me!
I better start packing!

Watch him squirm.
If he wants to go let him go, if he wants to stay he will have to stand up against AT shit convincing you to stay.